原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表1 I# c2 n+ v3 q$ E; j- t$ `
怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？$ T2 u* w4 ], D0 t/ `7 }/ F
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豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表
' R" K, d! e6 b) D3 U楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表
* X" C4 v" g1 gPzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。3 H5 W9 h$ S. ~
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值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表4 \# e3 l3 u5 s5 J8 m
PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。
( Z) X4 t* }; z- H+ u/ B0 w他的KB似乎损失很重，而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43 ) r1 _( V7 E; C+ m

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% P" p! m+ S  fTF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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Allied Ships
1 g0 ^% {0 ~6 y5 Y$ G0 g- a3 cMSW Cromer
9 s8 b$ u& Q/ `6 r' q$ M8 T( \MSW Goulburn
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ASW attack at 37,69
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PC Ch 22
9 J, z2 e2 z9 P* kPC Ch 20
: Q- B" ~3 a! l% Q- o( \PG Taiko Maru
" u5 C+ H; J& o+ H. N1 {PG Shosei Maru : B7 Y; N/ @: H4 X/ ?! u
PG Seiko Maru
  j2 W0 P; |# j, k6 JPG Keiko Maru
$ _0 f+ q% E/ v( O/ g  E  \3 SPG Aso Maru # f9 w7 N5 W/ w# A& ^8 Y+ V, o
PG Tamo Maru #7
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Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
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1 r2 o+ I, @4 h1 V" \Allied aircraft " z; x; Q& g3 I- s' o6 E
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 5 V. ?2 p/ }( T; o
F-5A Lightning x 2
4 n/ H/ f% q# `8 \1 u* q  ]: Y" ]B-25J Mitchell x 135
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Allied aircraft losses
0 x( _: \1 [, I! X( L* f( l8 a6 wB-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged . F$ \8 y3 p  A2 p: w% d4 `; m( `
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Japanese ground losses:
+ h( S- ^/ [# v163 casualties reported
5 I+ }( H3 X+ v. M" \$ TGuns lost 1 ) a( X+ }8 B3 s& x5 d6 i
  
. I4 G% w$ N3 o5 t9 xAirbase hits 6
+ ?. Y1 z3 F. R1 MAirbase supply hits 3 ; `2 s/ w" j: ], S
Runway hits 126 4 N8 W' W$ e. C3 X" K
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Aircraft Attacking: 7 e! X) \6 o( C, K. A1 _
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet , r2 v8 m, p$ c, k9 P
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
  I: h; J; i  H4 F; Y3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
. r6 {5 o2 V! i  F6 N( J" t0 ~3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
1 |% x# O: y; L; f7 n7 D" i) R16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
: Z$ N) I1 V" e" ^8 z24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
  i  {  [1 G( R2 \# w. C6 Q13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
/ Z4 a5 \0 p$ z& k4 @$ ^4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
. x$ T8 ~$ Q2 w5 P  S3 M3 B" q3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 9 _! B& K& X; x, S0 ~2 Y
10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 6 l. t) V* _3 W6 ^, C, ~
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet   z6 u4 E1 \+ g- s
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ' p2 [, ~5 `( _' B  s9 b  S
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet * Y2 ~5 M3 u% w7 Q9 B. r
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
* P: n" T# u0 ~$ i5 O9 z& F( t6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 4 Z7 ?8 v2 y. n& F# I0 q% t; j0 a
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 T) r) S% s# t1 C+ W4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet & w! ]) D$ c& I
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet + B, S0 x: l5 W* s# b% {
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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8 V! ?5 B5 m7 W1 x- F- p( o, h! cDay Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
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5 `" T' V  |& `Japanese aircraft   j( K% W; Q$ N
D3A Val x 54 # P2 s; f2 I/ L- N+ a4 _
A6M5c Zeke x 47 6 B- w! Z- f! a! ~2 z& ~/ Z
  
; p$ k& S+ z6 b/ `. hNo Japanese losses
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1 `; Y7 M6 Q/ w6 n: O- VRunway hits 30
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Aircraft Attacking: 1 B7 J4 j) Z% j, D2 j
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
$ v5 j6 u' \- p4 X0 X27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
- l. I4 |- S  G: B9 C* i47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 9 b8 e/ S1 p* v% p* g  b
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" @0 I% J5 _+ r6 A3 M7 qDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 3 }, t  ^3 e1 P- K9 p" i
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Japanese aircraft
, d" A- L. P! T- uA6M5 Zeke x 84 * k. K- `& E& ~
D3A Val x 98
1 C* q7 q" ~, mD4Y Judy x 95 * f* N) L1 U) [4 M2 J( i
B5N Kate x 129 - ~) C) D) K4 d/ ^$ [" S) b$ b- C
B6N Jill x 47
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; e& P1 U8 I6 [* {5 [0 }F6F Hellcat x 147
' d3 Y8 B& P$ j2 H2 |Corsair IV x 24
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Japanese aircraft losses
4 N; \" o1 P6 ^3 _- t% SA6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed 3 g  |6 s7 J2 |( R2 `2 \
D3A Val: 73 destroyed
8 x. n2 [4 v8 W; e8 e4 H' E8 _D4Y Judy: 72 destroyed
% ]! r4 k* R  M' r* oB5N Kate: 106 destroyed . I8 l  ?. ?$ L/ R9 P) {" M; o* w8 ]
B6N Jill: 40 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses
6 s! ~5 L- g( s% e3 D3 l# |8 M6 [F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged - J3 Z9 ~* b; ^1 ^$ r8 L
Corsair IV: 1 damaged
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Allied Ships
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5 L1 S% O# ]+ C( K4 r0 tCV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1 8 W6 y/ m- P3 a$ s1 q
CV Formidable
7 B) `9 }  @+ \2 l2 _CVL Langley $ R% [' C) G3 g& S; Q) B4 M
CLAA San Diego
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/ ^5 X& V8 m8 BAircraft Attacking:
0 A& B% W% \+ Z1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet / u9 X6 b6 n$ i" u/ e! P5 H5 b) \
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet + r7 @' R9 i  Z, P& d
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 4 T8 |: W- Q* f0 g- p
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 H$ a: O+ Y7 {7 M. ~7 D
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
( v1 H! L: j% ^" i' R4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
# V! [0 _  c9 @$ M0 L1 q1 Q1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet   m1 P8 u) a  d4 \, k5 ~2 R
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet . n! \' O. B6 ?& d' Q# q  U# U
2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet & C4 R4 P7 n; A6 ?$ M
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet ' Z( E& j- G$ [8 K" [! \
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet + u8 y2 Y5 M- C$ ?! r
3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
) M/ v# O+ ^/ q. Z/ j8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
0 u/ N/ M- p. }7 v2 M- a- V6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79   W. F1 |& F% s' m
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Japanese aircraft
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4 m! Z0 B, q  h3 o1 A: UD4Y Judy x 27 ! y" H5 [! B7 Z8 |( Q1 }. x
A6M3a Zero x 9 ' Z  J  \( P6 m
B5N Kate x 18 ; g! S$ |- N* k0 B
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Allied aircraft
) h8 |" C  q) r' b1 }F6F Hellcat x 120
3 D6 K" P& f" r! e; ICorsair IV x 24 ; F6 b. I0 Q* k# U8 v
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Japanese aircraft losses
5 z  S2 }! e$ EA6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed $ ]( G# P9 \1 H& c" W$ @+ j7 n
D4Y Judy: 20 destroyed
9 I* F! Y% q; K& gA6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed % H* Q5 j% T7 |1 v, c$ X+ \
B5N Kate: 17 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses
$ z5 m% h5 t4 gF6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
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Allied Ships
5 B" d7 M' H3 }  F2 [- q* J8 \CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1 3 i# p' i/ }/ {
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Aircraft Attacking: / g& }* c3 \4 y5 b0 F) p
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet   g" V% T# c/ P6 d9 K7 `, Z; y. k
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. I. b/ m/ x& S9 u9 ]. gDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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3 r3 ~- h! ?/ b7 rJapanese aircraft
' f4 a/ m" L7 |' _% u4 [7 \A6M5 Zeke x 9
) N6 A6 e- ^" Q% |6 B" rD3A Val x 9 , I% r3 ?* t, h4 k/ O" z
D4Y Judy x 27 / B0 u! E9 N, j3 x
B5N Kate x 18
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Allied aircraft
4 d/ @5 X) o( R  G7 ^1 S! wF6F Hellcat x 115
& A4 M1 U) K+ j+ A3 ?3 ICorsair IV x 24 6 X* l) j/ a- O6 k/ V) S  k
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Japanese aircraft losses ; A8 i; x4 f9 ?3 N# M* ?
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed ' E% U6 z7 Z% }: V. p' U! y- \
D3A Val: 9 destroyed ' V0 [4 J8 K* r. I, j2 Y5 u3 i+ ^
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed 7 b" Z4 _: @% I8 @; _  \
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed 5 u' j  }! l& K7 t
  
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F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed
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Allied Ships
5 c; X* Y" i6 pCV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire   C4 x1 ?$ L" }
DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
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Aircraft Attacking: $ x& g  [4 [$ T+ v+ f* \' W0 h
1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet ; H' m" B0 L% d6 ^; f& h8 `
8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
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, N& x6 W  P/ |, _G4M1 Betty x 6 / F7 z  I: A" U8 g# d
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Allied aircraft * H! e' ?% y. ]. ?0 m; o! ^9 H
F6F Hellcat x 98 ' y( L* I8 ]- T$ E7 l4 Q
Corsair IV x 23
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Japanese aircraft losses ' W) V' u! g3 T$ @% q
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses
& X) M6 X7 Z' s$ i7 {F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged 0 x& P/ q+ k# Q* L4 O
  
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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: V6 S- [# M: U( W' g6 R% B' ^G4M1 Betty x 3 * ?; I9 e& a5 K8 b; P5 h5 o( f
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F6F Hellcat x 98 / v( y8 b9 F: [% |9 a3 g) o
Corsair IV x 23
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G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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7 B" U: \8 F6 u5 XDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft ' D' d. }% A4 s: R
A6M5 Zeke x 50 - m" F$ X  v4 p
D3A Val x 15
8 i( E0 y2 v% l9 F  i$ |2 q" [D4Y Judy x 15
+ r3 D" v( A7 s8 E) d; lA6M3a Zero x 6 0 Y6 \: u8 ^/ ~" r
B5N Kate x 17
; G( u( O$ P# q! I2 H8 f6 pB6N Jill x 2
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+ R) ~4 O9 S# n' ?F6F Hellcat x 98
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A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed 6 v7 \2 R1 ]# i- A1 w+ A
D3A Val: 12 destroyed
* [8 a/ [& V+ }' W. YD4Y Judy: 9 destroyed * c3 o; O& s5 a' w3 i: `$ k; _3 u
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed
! k- i& X/ O, Y; hB5N Kate: 16 destroyed ! n4 i9 C6 z9 S
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed 5 ^8 Q( B% D3 {! b- P* O8 H
  
* }+ \' ^% T9 [3 E# \Allied aircraft losses 2 u; a$ Q5 E* S. u6 g- R3 I
F6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged 0 d- v* K9 p5 S1 _4 H+ ]# F
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
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0 ~" ~: m. M0 @CV Formidable
* Z! t/ e  }( `9 jCV Illustrious 5 J( u7 u3 F0 C! m2 ~
CVL Cabot ( B4 ~# w" L5 v7 {. L/ G
  
: d# G9 i! p/ T# JAircraft Attacking: " |: y+ y5 s# Z6 _" w0 x
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet : s, Q+ d3 n/ c( C+ Y
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet + G6 J4 }8 g7 D5 _
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表
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目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重
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原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表+ X5 E* X. _  ^) \% U
PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表) n$ q# `1 K% s( V: P
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5 L' k4 Q. N. k6 ]# e' s这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表, J- x* d6 c( n" r1 Q  }* a
盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...