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原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表
* h' t7 A$ [" p怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？
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豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由浆糊于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表9 }4 u! R, b* P+ R2 W% y
楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表
2 h! _' P- C0 \. UPzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。
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原帖由逍遥于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表; t+ ]0 ~% ]/ Q" X
PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。
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还有一个，他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右，这个也不知道具体的情况。# U) u& a7 H# t/ e/ K2 }

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43 * _& ?3 Q9 B) ~! |

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# x& [/ X5 K3 {% UTF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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4 {4 J6 S$ ]# ]' ?9 V6 r3 ]Allied Ships
: u' E0 X$ h( ^+ }3 h4 u3 c. cMSW Cromer
4 t% S* w/ V3 M0 j. b! Y) u7 |MSW Goulburn 9 i6 Z4 Q$ l* R' C1 \& J; w
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ASW attack at 37,69 5 E7 |/ F& c- W9 P; D
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Japanese Ships
+ [- |1 |+ |9 o' T: f$ APC Ch 22 ) Q& Y; C: C# |5 I2 }. G) p
PC Ch 20 : z8 i+ l) ?$ Z' E
PG Taiko Maru # A5 s+ v( \% E) U3 f
PG Shosei Maru
  _' Y; \* m; o- f) o; \PG Seiko Maru
* F4 _1 F& D0 j( j0 i% ]& oPG Keiko Maru 9 j( p! b; G# \5 Q( A
PG Aso Maru
, ]( N5 m% e9 ]2 c7 `PG Tamo Maru #7 9 B& s1 Z% |/ j! K) T

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SS O23
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% H  N6 d# ?/ L+ H" aDay Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
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/ i$ ^3 v7 ?, K8 g7 A# ]Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 0 x1 [$ U- F" K  z1 q) {0 T) x
F-5A Lightning x 2
9 \7 e$ x1 i1 m  P$ w8 `/ k% {! IB-25J Mitchell x 135 8 [, h6 d( [7 }( p. n( r+ Z# N! n

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Allied aircraft losses
; N' d' I, }" \& `7 s3 R2 @2 |B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged " j7 g; [# P# T, g2 _' O. y

0 {' R* H: r& u& s7 b& ]* ~8 }. ?; f0 zJapanese ground losses: ' k) r; I( {' b3 s3 c& E/ E5 a! M
163 casualties reported
( y+ O/ J2 X7 ?8 f6 f7 QGuns lost 1 : z1 d& ]8 v& d7 ?) ]: D3 _+ k/ i0 z
  9 n, Y8 T6 ~7 ?3 L& y! q7 G
Airbase hits 6
" |1 b6 _" @1 W9 h7 tAirbase supply hits 3 9 y( R+ o* H# K. J9 G
Runway hits 126
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Aircraft Attacking:
1 M$ S% g4 I1 e6 a) N1 a7 a( G6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet . [$ }; g. Z2 Z( [  R
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet & C* Y; L3 M) O
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
/ x/ A% v, |3 x5 \; P3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet / L! w# [" ^+ J6 t3 T: U6 w! q5 l
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
- {4 J9 K7 @; o- t24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
( G- I9 v- s# ?" \5 g) K13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 |$ S" ?( Y* p/ r4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet   i1 c0 z% m8 L  {0 \# U
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet # `% S3 t+ z8 g  }7 S
10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 2 K) n; p+ m( D& ?8 c5 k* z
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ) m1 c& K. w  ]
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ) q0 I& l4 X7 d7 x9 O
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
& y- F% ?$ }& @! H- D7 F3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
% h: d7 U% A$ C6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
; b, `0 P0 N1 o* I) B2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet / k1 G9 W, M& V5 X" d: O3 d
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
) h2 w' F3 R7 [- c" c" I5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
, _( U. n7 E9 a. u! p4 {3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
9 R' {3 o0 J; u& O6 @1 t3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
' M3 M9 |) T0 K3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
* _7 F+ B9 ~4 h( G) i2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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) |$ Z) N2 s/ N2 ODay Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
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Japanese aircraft 9 ^- S: X2 N$ p! g# a# p
D3A Val x 54 , W" `7 S2 t/ \0 N5 l) R
A6M5c Zeke x 47
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No Japanese losses
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Runway hits 30   Y9 M- m+ B# w

& _. Q! e* _; LAircraft Attacking: 6 u" f( K# G2 g2 U
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 y3 Z; V/ [4 w27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
* D# b# Y; P5 C4 [8 i47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet * r9 c& V' j( ]$ ~
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 + [% D" u; f0 ~; {

/ e& G& r% i4 I; T: XJapanese aircraft 9 a/ g& _+ O" V5 I/ p
A6M5 Zeke x 84
/ U6 v% N. ?6 A0 v# J% u* q6 N0 jD3A Val x 98
; d6 ]( Q% r2 J1 cD4Y Judy x 95 $ w( ?( a( o0 ]$ t$ ]0 M' X
B5N Kate x 129
0 E$ i$ h/ @5 b7 s$ @0 d$ dB6N Jill x 47
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! U/ {5 Y  H% u# V2 L+ cAllied aircraft # _, }5 e. }/ ~: f) o0 E
F6F Hellcat x 147 " i$ o6 M# Y% a3 Q' I. F
Corsair IV x 24
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Japanese aircraft losses   E% u4 O! Q% e- ~4 V8 L
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed
! w1 E3 \' ^  B* W4 k! Q7 wD3A Val: 73 destroyed & F0 ?2 L( A* [  K0 [
D4Y Judy: 72 destroyed 2 t7 c# L! l+ [  |
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed   K, v. r. `  n1 A7 I9 b
B6N Jill: 40 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses 1 `- O; b: n" ]
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged / z1 L0 i/ M/ ^. k
Corsair IV: 1 damaged * n0 F2 i0 A$ _3 @4 N2 B  J
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Allied Ships / ~: t4 E/ p) `) [
CVL Cabot 6 G% p# ^$ H& o1 m* M6 m3 X
CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1
: P, j/ d: y: j) VCV Formidable
: n* P- m6 }$ D+ Z: h- j( Q+ Q( J; VCVL Langley ' w$ O* E) y5 |$ G
CLAA San Diego
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Aircraft Attacking: , A( K- C8 ]8 s2 h$ G4 s7 J# o
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
# X2 h1 W- ]. e& R" p9 a+ v) A( `" \3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 1 Q4 E( c$ U0 }
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet * t7 `: _/ ~% {9 Y7 J
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet . A1 a5 u' ~1 j2 X. Z/ w
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
  h& b; d9 t: Y2 M1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet , |- L' x5 ?. B8 V0 f' e
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 [( i8 O1 s* d- o- v4 ^4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet : W( W; q% P% R+ o; d" w
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet ) J' S6 m% w# C! o
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet + Z0 J2 l9 t. m% X  m
2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 I8 s' ?1 T/ Z; G8 [2 g6 R* v3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet ) ~  j9 w! A1 L: s6 {
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
: K; Y0 p) b0 \. A: i: u; B' g6 [5 u4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 7 U0 {) U7 K7 D8 y/ \8 v. O
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 0 Y. \- ?: M) F. o1 s
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
$ l3 _' @1 J2 b% r9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
0 F' O' f( W9 L  \( L5 ^* j3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 S/ x0 _4 p4 Q* m4 k0 p/ B8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet " ?- E; ~; G. r. |7 F% Y
6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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A6M5 Zeke x 6 8 {& M/ k: j  F+ o; Y" P0 r- d
D4Y Judy x 27
. W! v% `2 X# e' vA6M3a Zero x 9 $ H+ W2 A: c# y, ^# O4 }4 k1 A; I
B5N Kate x 18
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. j) N+ x0 f2 {/ B5 B( R% kAllied aircraft 6 @7 p% F% R1 J8 O8 a$ C3 J6 \8 j
F6F Hellcat x 120
9 ^1 b+ u; }' j. ^8 I; m8 gCorsair IV x 24 7 q3 I6 N/ h2 t/ E6 k
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Japanese aircraft losses
- v# A7 }0 t) P! P* W: nA6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed
; e' s  f- j3 ~6 H/ sD4Y Judy: 20 destroyed
1 I% e7 y0 [" \$ L# s! C# LA6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed
; P4 j8 N+ M1 P8 b3 o* _' XB5N Kate: 17 destroyed
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3 B8 H( @% P# M+ f1 h( R/ lAllied aircraft losses ' ?* J3 }: r! d# x6 h. u- O
F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged + f9 e  {+ N# g4 ]- ]( T  _2 t' P3 Y

6 Q" q# P7 W' UAllied Ships $ `  T2 w0 C) A+ |/ x* W/ e! K
CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1
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  A- ?' G# j$ g/ fAircraft Attacking:
9 w  c. o- o* P6 ?- |5 d1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet , [( y; s8 X, s8 n7 X
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9 w, M+ d0 L8 e/ ~' K0 I4 \; X6 g0 KDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 ! h, r: F- Z2 z0 n& v

" z, ?$ h; F% qJapanese aircraft ' |! n3 F2 y4 n
A6M5 Zeke x 9
2 w" }) N  E/ M* u) ^# mD3A Val x 9 , |4 A6 y# r# O$ h8 Q; W  C
D4Y Judy x 27 ) ]* O$ K" ~0 b2 I3 [
B5N Kate x 18
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$ `  I$ ]+ V8 |% @+ ?1 sAllied aircraft
' z2 ^! m4 e- H& t3 f1 j! LF6F Hellcat x 115
" `6 G. h; }& f" G4 }; YCorsair IV x 24
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% v% S6 S8 q, q8 W# e0 U' ZJapanese aircraft losses 0 x; e5 U% Q4 K& l
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed 9 {( p) s# K- w! c
D3A Val: 9 destroyed % a9 h( P, b: q1 O
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed 5 k% D2 [% l4 E# c' y, n! U
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed 1 l8 A+ G4 Q. o
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Allied aircraft losses
+ p* R- Q: Z. ]3 aF6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed ) f: f- K) }$ z. P2 U7 l7 D/ E
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Allied Ships
+ _2 k# G, K8 U. z1 D6 RCV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
; |+ Z5 g6 w# m; k& wDD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire & _5 K9 h) N( D. r
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Aircraft Attacking: 5 }2 G& m- c# U+ g; X& A, Y6 `5 q
1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 3 N( ?: w8 z% O; v, x
8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
: r& r1 {& W/ f$ @+ W* S5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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8 [% q4 e/ ?( bDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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" W& j# E+ n  q8 a1 Z" ]5 iJapanese aircraft
! o" ~1 v5 _# d1 HG4M1 Betty x 6
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Allied aircraft ) Y% Q! i8 n' j! b- |5 i7 Q. w0 @
F6F Hellcat x 98
% C  a) v) n  _' E4 Y) HCorsair IV x 23 2 [' @5 n+ ~: o! Z

2 ]8 e  ~0 O* e3 ~7 [( d. O6 m9 sJapanese aircraft losses
0 y/ N% l( f  q$ [" |G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
9 D& o% @' _% u6 s4 R) s+ t% ^& M  . u0 O& S9 i6 q
Allied aircraft losses " x0 @3 I3 ^( |
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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G4M1 Betty x 3 ; w+ r- n6 n& l) L
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Allied aircraft 8 M0 Q0 K" u' @% {
F6F Hellcat x 98
1 V* e! l. F* U- P% ]Corsair IV x 23
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& }% _3 h, R0 I" _4 bJapanese aircraft losses
5 p* E( {" X7 n& V' g4 ^; q; NG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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) \0 v2 [8 Q4 o% ^* J1 N9 TJapanese aircraft
0 C' A, Z7 i8 x6 |$ NA6M5 Zeke x 50
9 Y) Z" t& P4 x8 j  BD3A Val x 15 ) M; Y, T4 M; E2 h
D4Y Judy x 15
/ j. w& u" N( ?: U1 gA6M3a Zero x 6 / v& R! i5 X# _
B5N Kate x 17 1 d. B. _" V4 u: n( l
B6N Jill x 2
1 i. n! J2 m% y7 m6 Q
' P4 l5 V! L. E+ GAllied aircraft
4 g* S$ N0 G* w+ n) WF6F Hellcat x 98
# M* L% \. j0 s. }) Z4 {$ U' E6 |* kCorsair IV x 23 1 B+ x: Y, w2 t: K) C1 ?! U
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Japanese aircraft losses % r% e1 @. l" J& r  V
A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed - X( o# ~" j/ u- c2 I+ t$ h
D3A Val: 12 destroyed 6 d& V! \9 p3 w, A/ D" R
D4Y Judy: 9 destroyed
* M8 \3 q9 m, [) mA6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed
+ }6 c4 d$ D" \1 _; E% w  c% pB5N Kate: 16 destroyed + _0 w6 Q& V! \0 T& [! d+ P
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed
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* n6 \1 a/ ]7 @3 C) y6 M% pAllied aircraft losses
# U* E/ }; E0 t0 LF6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged
7 V$ s; G$ O" ?" `Corsair IV: 1 destroyed ) L( G, Q& N  [" L

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CV Formidable
* i) K& h" T. z: hCV Illustrious ' v, u1 r0 A2 L" [
CVL Cabot
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( y* G  s6 A* x0 B! hAircraft Attacking:
8 d# P8 g# ?& G  q+ [7 ~2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet $ H& t2 d4 U  B$ H2 r
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet ( `0 e4 U( _3 W" {5 P5 {+ k: u$ W
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表
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目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重0 H# L$ b- a" [, a  I; ^
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這在CV 對戰中, 對日方不利  o  `* S+ E1 a5 [9 U5 v/ {
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原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表
% @' h: u% f ]PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表
$ L8 G' q) p8 Q( o) k4 H. p盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...