原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表
" }: c9 N6 u- t) ]' q怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？
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' t0 m" D  `4 Z1 d3 j5 U豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表
* U, a! G2 U- N: X楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表
. }; W% f' D1 D, ]" T* t. o8 \( FPzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。
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+ i. R# M8 K* i. p值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表" @" V" u7 ^: r+ b0 W; ?- i; v
PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。
, |% D9 N5 O' }* m他的KB似乎损失很重，而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。
9 _, B0 _( `, h1 w7 R1 E还有一个，他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右，这个也不知道具体的情况。  n2 z) q& S3 ?8 e) I8 E  t7 Y

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43 7 I; W- u' [; H3 S* p" a

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" ?, {0 \& i4 T, P" O! o9 `0 zTF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84) 8 I1 k9 d9 C$ y2 j- E+ V
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Allied Ships 0 y; f& g3 x& ]# L) z& X
MSW Cromer 6 S1 l# v: j, z: m
MSW Goulburn % g  |3 d, N* w2 n4 o
  
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ASW attack at 37,69 5 f1 [8 u; [0 q* W
  
1 Z* \( E- T6 A5 aJapanese Ships
8 k5 L  {6 f' NPC Ch 22 . |2 a& U' H6 r4 ^4 r0 z
PC Ch 20 % O8 X0 w! T+ E6 H! D) J8 f8 ^6 T
PG Taiko Maru
6 w7 l+ s9 Y! [5 p  X( yPG Shosei Maru
! {" ]) q7 H1 C' d0 HPG Seiko Maru / z0 Q8 n/ p. B( k( t% ]: u
PG Keiko Maru
" @  P# p; g1 H8 _0 G2 F. PPG Aso Maru & Y' B* A* W! R
PG Tamo Maru #7
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Allied Ships
) Y& g% }8 P. I( ySS O23
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2 j% v7 C4 c4 J: x$ r0 u1 Y5 R% |# {- }( MDay Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
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Allied aircraft
% b' R. C- T% J! R7 EBeaufighter Mk 21 x 3
. l+ [: ?  A+ Q3 \F-5A Lightning x 2
) J* [' j9 a$ D+ h3 I0 d. L8 A" H( HB-25J Mitchell x 135
1 j4 R4 t, e$ u+ ]  2 M+ O0 V. m+ v2 V5 J+ i, ]
  * J& k9 O8 {& Z1 i2 }/ S, B3 C* v
Allied aircraft losses + e& E7 R2 G' N4 h6 G
B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged 2 s' R/ O% I4 j
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Japanese ground losses:
9 J0 \* A2 B9 q( a9 z& e163 casualties reported 6 U2 ^- C1 A' R+ S8 E
Guns lost 1
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Airbase hits 6
- I  M) R7 J) `) F! yAirbase supply hits 3 $ R4 [# ]* {2 W% \! I
Runway hits 126 . L! P, k. j4 t: M, ]
  
1 I, ^& N$ _% G# q8 Q$ x% p/ ~0 ]6 jAircraft Attacking: , Z! T0 L" e) z* K* n
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
5 }* [# y/ _- P2 x9 \9 b4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 9 q1 }3 z- {$ Y# J
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet * g; |; u8 F8 n5 ]2 E$ D
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
% z. F6 o1 U! c& p2 L16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
0 H1 U- B3 c' c  |/ n% Q% `# \1 t24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
% ~( B# f* ^# Q% `13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
  H9 A4 K# y; ]& N4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
* F$ ^1 a8 W+ R3 l3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 r: _& d. }$ E" u3 B
10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet + b! F2 W1 w- D! V8 ^
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
) X6 g5 V, v7 a* |0 a3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
" H1 Q9 T+ O% x. M) U5 E2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
: z5 b! ~# r: @- `' B, F( o. c3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet % L! w6 Z3 u' _& X5 v0 f
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 b: e: L% L; J* t: B, g2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
2 d9 j7 r# s2 u( }- {4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
+ d& M6 Z& K$ [- n2 s0 U3 `( c5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
9 e4 ]0 r( O0 I1 R! e+ _3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 f1 ~$ M# l. Z% b& {3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet % h9 p; x, u1 J' C
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet & e! i8 \( h) p) a
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 8 R+ z. Q0 u; H, @! @& x
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53 $ s3 f! T; p6 \" @
  
6 H2 J) O" _& P5 m9 qJapanese aircraft
5 j. H  N6 r- YD3A Val x 54
) Z4 `8 b+ w% X2 p# T# FA6M5c Zeke x 47 % J$ q# i1 c0 S3 Z
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No Japanese losses 0 m; G5 g% s" {! w, I6 d" j
  
6 b3 z% B, J2 N" @4 yRunway hits 30 2 ]7 y7 T& P$ O4 ^0 }' t; k
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Aircraft Attacking:
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27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
. _- K) `8 V) N; Z4 R47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet ) ?! c. i' H6 Y& Y
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Japanese aircraft 7 u! r" R7 c1 ?1 _" L% ]
A6M5 Zeke x 84
0 e7 K+ j8 {  B+ }D3A Val x 98
3 w' m# d( g1 O1 GD4Y Judy x 95
# P9 q" Y6 K6 u8 F+ j0 i9 pB5N Kate x 129 ) Q9 f7 d  W- Y5 g
B6N Jill x 47 ' b: U6 e" n  z1 B  n  h
  
6 Q  c, ?$ B5 eAllied aircraft * y. I7 B2 K/ x- m$ V1 ?9 x
F6F Hellcat x 147
) `1 V2 m7 k% J/ w8 s+ @- |! e7 Y7 _Corsair IV x 24   `; u! {) C# g1 L5 @/ n/ ?5 `
  
$ a+ l' Q7 J- a/ d% Z- PJapanese aircraft losses $ K3 y: i- L/ [/ [- B
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed
" r% l* }1 H; G  e6 i; G; AD3A Val: 73 destroyed
. j$ r" V: O& {( _8 r. uD4Y Judy: 72 destroyed 1 X! f; n8 g7 L  f" t
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed
* w  k2 j$ M. b9 _: \. t; ]B6N Jill: 40 destroyed % z" ]/ n, r/ K3 b. Z4 J
  
( N% v/ y: S" GAllied aircraft losses
, Y6 E- @  u, ]# ~+ NF6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged
( `$ d6 ^& \4 x5 f9 fCorsair IV: 1 damaged ) h6 b+ A+ l$ U7 \( O, @1 k8 K
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Allied Ships
& T5 J- ?! x$ ~) u) hCVL Cabot
! X* Z5 N6 ^# }2 i8 cCV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1 + o& K& v0 e* a' [% `# T
CV Formidable
' b5 _" B# d" W* Z8 K% f  L8 S( yCVL Langley & W; L. W, x. L7 Y8 Q% \# p
CLAA San Diego
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Aircraft Attacking: 2 C$ o: e+ C6 U; j1 s2 m
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
/ Q3 x$ j5 Y: B1 Y6 C3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
) D  }+ R8 R( J1 |! G1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet ) ]! \4 f. F1 ~. o7 K% ?
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
6 H* j7 g; _/ T, p3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet # O6 ^; i( H/ O+ P2 h3 b
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet 5 k' |1 @7 R3 P+ u; K
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
( O" b! i( [& H3 {4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet # X, H6 ]  F  Y
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
. i* Z$ F- Q9 a6 }3 K2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
' q! e# X% v% d) }. k2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet ; P  h1 f; S; L  Q. N! e2 o. o
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 0 T% X0 k+ d" g$ z: V) v
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet # G2 H% g3 l" b3 L
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
- C* [( W0 n3 K. P( X+ L; d4 v; C4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
5 V2 ?$ \& Z: m* ^% i9 a6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 8 r5 m# l7 Y6 w. _* ?; E4 {
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
' s# ~# y* p. P+ e3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet ) Y0 |4 n# g7 R2 c# s  L& y
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
. J) m- ^& A2 N3 Q4 v# t6 F6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 + L( [. n7 x6 c5 x+ R
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Japanese aircraft
% C- o: o$ [& ~, j$ pA6M5 Zeke x 6
, e0 w$ _# l/ T. ^  Y' gD4Y Judy x 27
1 g, V2 i9 G! L$ j( UA6M3a Zero x 9 ( S7 t9 k- {: f
B5N Kate x 18 ' Q+ k4 P1 ]+ \3 [# f
  
* s3 G1 P5 n( a& k# [- w$ F$ y" UAllied aircraft
0 y" a: W) w' H6 Y5 P$ jF6F Hellcat x 120
* a7 }1 _5 Q) p3 o' ?% g9 WCorsair IV x 24
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+ L% v1 y/ N* K* W' @Japanese aircraft losses
+ r* B, n# R! W" |A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed 7 C: C( C7 _; E3 J! M( _2 @
D4Y Judy: 20 destroyed
' O  G+ T0 R: [  r+ `A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed
: U) P. K* Z9 E! v! m- s3 LB5N Kate: 17 destroyed 9 L! k8 R1 P/ K7 p
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Allied aircraft losses 0 V  W; o+ u0 ?% G
F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
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Allied Ships
6 f3 n$ `6 G4 N" }+ ~CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1
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Aircraft Attacking: / X6 e( k/ p3 D; O$ Z; K) N
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet " H, [( {: D1 w8 P/ y1 [
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 / b1 T5 q5 A8 E$ f& z. B- |; Y
  
' V6 |( M, ~+ g2 b0 G: ~Japanese aircraft 7 r8 L9 ]  ?0 ~. M- H5 m: r; G
A6M5 Zeke x 9 / }1 b( y" e/ k
D3A Val x 9
5 u+ M0 ~% a6 yD4Y Judy x 27
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Allied aircraft
9 T( i: t1 p4 a, j/ k3 UF6F Hellcat x 115 7 G9 _+ K- [1 g
Corsair IV x 24
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7 i/ ?# T* T0 |6 c& PJapanese aircraft losses . c8 T3 ?% x( X4 g2 H+ X
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed
/ _# R. W' }; QD3A Val: 9 destroyed 4 k: `' b! G9 ]. w1 }
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed * m9 _+ i2 L1 ?$ d5 P" |! [! ~
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed 6 ^+ R" B2 Y" e( e! n1 Y0 t  J; R
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Allied aircraft losses
, n9 ?" j' l8 N! MF6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed
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Allied Ships 1 d* i5 j" P/ y; w: H2 y4 S# k
CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire 8 @# p  z( ^* q) E
DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
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# t" s* o9 c3 `2 O6 wAircraft Attacking:
' N" v+ M% c7 e1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
  z- a$ A& b( _8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet ' _% r/ P- F/ ~/ \8 Y
5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 % ^3 N& ?# F% S- q* U  @
  
$ _8 j- c2 M' h/ h4 V4 kJapanese aircraft
$ r1 [' r, p' rG4M1 Betty x 6 & b; R1 Y) _; E% {; J
  
8 U' B5 u) v) d: sAllied aircraft   {- n1 K+ ]/ C* G7 B2 U& o* W
F6F Hellcat x 98
  b4 @) w$ [; G9 e3 tCorsair IV x 23
6 f; E: m: E" s  ! N& [& B; s/ d
Japanese aircraft losses   W9 {: w' v6 e' T" |, f1 N+ l
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed % K' ~+ F; y# u- E
  
/ Y* ?9 h0 k" G- \. h/ hAllied aircraft losses 7 v( M! t5 x3 Y. s% `& u4 `
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged + N0 m* L- Q# S' M% N; G7 ~+ u
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 $ g" F9 x! k" ~5 I  {/ h: @9 t
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Japanese aircraft $ f& u* ^7 Q" L6 K
G4M1 Betty x 3 2 Q' s4 a) \$ t* F4 [! @* |$ Y
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Allied aircraft & D) t2 c5 Q- H* ^. r" e! N& f
F6F Hellcat x 98 ' V3 z8 [% G, W* ?
Corsair IV x 23
  ?8 k& ~) {! _' y( m% T% p* G  ) H) J. y" ?9 T; }
Japanese aircraft losses ; O/ {% v+ u8 [6 o  U" @. _
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed : Y7 N$ F5 t$ Y5 }/ q4 v
  
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2 T" Q5 w7 M: X8 Z+ m, x2 b: ~Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 % J. R) f& b- U, g3 z) h
  
9 l  T  E& z: Z9 n1 W% U& X  h+ AJapanese aircraft ' ^2 J4 j- k$ c0 }* \) [# y4 x
A6M5 Zeke x 50 ) I) C( H8 E5 g8 u# O
D3A Val x 15
5 g& S! p5 K4 |  m# ~* UD4Y Judy x 15 6 R8 _* r/ A+ K& i
A6M3a Zero x 6 ( A1 s) d3 s9 l$ a, B& r+ X
B5N Kate x 17
+ K; e8 I/ T6 _7 oB6N Jill x 2 ; j- C% q5 M  y; R2 @: A. w
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Allied aircraft
6 G* C8 P7 G0 P! u! bF6F Hellcat x 98
- ]$ N) T) Q" Z  C$ G- r5 bCorsair IV x 23
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) ^- i  i6 @+ J2 Y* s6 cJapanese aircraft losses
& S, q, R, _; RA6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed
. F7 u' Z9 h+ F4 s. @D3A Val: 12 destroyed 2 _) [! p5 u$ ?' Q+ B4 Y/ o
D4Y Judy: 9 destroyed " \" X3 q+ V9 I5 Q
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed . |  s/ h2 W. `" W0 H" f1 O
B5N Kate: 16 destroyed ! |4 P3 X- J9 q& f! ?& P
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed
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! x& M% ?; E6 e( Y7 }8 x9 Y* EAllied aircraft losses ' ]8 ]4 b6 W$ b5 g' Y
F6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged
: A0 I) Q7 ]  {3 p$ mCorsair IV: 1 destroyed / P! n. k9 r- j" D
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Allied Ships " O5 m. H8 Q/ f/ d
CV Formidable 7 @/ Z2 [  E' J! U8 H
CV Illustrious
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Aircraft Attacking: 0 M6 ~% ]7 r" {8 ]; @' V
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
: ]9 T+ N! p$ ?- M. g1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
8 z$ b8 a- H6 ~. M1 E5 J1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表
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3 R- b8 h* v  F! a! j目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重
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這在CV 對戰中, 對日方不利
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原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表
, \# r8 o4 N. nPzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表
1 A: J6 L2 e1 C/ W5 c盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...