燃烧的岛群军史学习论坛 - Powered by Discuz! Board

原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表7 P2 N. s3 w' o
怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？
! ~2 g4 K. M/ z" z q" [1 o0 H' B, O4 q% U& e5 p0 w; r9 Q6 g ^ B5 o9 Z, c
豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由浆糊于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表
! E/ R8 k3 L' z. Y+ _楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表
* _/ q: L# o8 S4 uPzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。% _) m: E2 X7 P, k9 X* R) B

! |& x3 V/ s9 c: {# E1 G6 D值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由逍遥于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表" C9 k( j1 ]% A6 b2 `; [8 J
PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。
. r* m& W/ T; w他的KB似乎损失很重，而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。! N; [6 w g* W$ p# {3 K! _, y% x" u
还有一个，他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右，这个也不知道具体的情况。4 X( K$ G" d8 f) e# b/ Z5 T& V

; Y( Z+ P2 F/ @4 \" x/ v2 b0 x战报太长了，找不到战斗的详细情况。 ...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43 * Q! z% a& l7 B' s6 |

9 \8 y2 U) t# ?$ {  _- l4 M3 d6 P-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + Z4 C$ q: u/ n# `# O7 T
TF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84) . o9 C' k' M7 F" V4 q
  . e+ m+ D  P" n. p) j
Allied Ships
  w1 J2 J0 J9 J5 S$ E0 zMSW Cromer
9 {2 \3 U2 z- X6 d4 UMSW Goulburn
  P$ D7 m! n- Q6 P' u6 V
# L9 H' v& X. X$ I/ S--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 Q8 H0 \7 t+ }* e/ tASW attack at 37,69
$ h' Z9 Y1 o5 e8 r  , h* X7 Q. p- b# a  S0 ^/ y3 y  r' R
Japanese Ships . w( E  _. ]. P! P
PC Ch 22 ' M! O! [2 S8 p- r+ a. a
PC Ch 20 7 p" l- C0 S3 o+ n- U! b
PG Taiko Maru
5 X/ i) Z$ c3 p& nPG Shosei Maru 8 [( f0 V2 t+ q; f$ [
PG Seiko Maru ) n2 J6 a1 b5 n$ P% l
PG Keiko Maru
8 ?  W& X5 l4 ~3 |7 b0 ]/ I( iPG Aso Maru 2 @# n/ ?: [, T" t$ P2 x
PG Tamo Maru #7
5 O5 Z# {4 ^5 I6 |+ G
, ~1 t/ _# Q  A- W, M7 ~8 }Allied Ships . s" s8 Q; [- \( f5 w: D2 m$ c
SS O23 9 }. M( p5 X+ v, g2 }% w$ E
  ; E% i- Y" X- x, V+ W, ^) N4 V) c: S
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8 [4 U% B2 x. [0 m8 Q
Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 9 s' Z0 r+ F  B" p
  ! o' C; ~  d) S% w0 x
  3 c' `% z% S; a* T/ K
Allied aircraft 7 R" i: N  X& T4 J
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3
5 h4 l- y( M$ ~2 ?5 T0 tF-5A Lightning x 2
7 ]* z3 Q% Z% Q$ U, T8 {+ YB-25J Mitchell x 135 ; `4 V) f% U  `4 N0 p/ n' b

  p7 N2 A% @) a7 X) l4 ]9 @- S
! @1 h$ s( V7 C8 }9 qAllied aircraft losses 1 F! |5 l1 F: K1 q9 A( ]
B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged 3 _7 m, c7 @5 z* q  l4 v
  ; d! s) m- I" i) R: Q5 Q) k- R6 A. S
Japanese ground losses: + {6 ?* r; y, c
163 casualties reported $ c8 n; \! u, Q
Guns lost 1   q; x2 K2 J% o

8 {" S6 T: z3 q9 W7 }Airbase hits 6
- b4 H  C) R, K- f) ?- V! BAirbase supply hits 3   i9 q4 H- J; h5 p8 ~
Runway hits 126
7 Q1 q6 b: e2 X1 K( M6 S6 ^
0 K+ v" d0 |0 p- ]0 I) fAircraft Attacking:
8 S, P; A, O. }. V9 F6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
7 H- w* D2 \5 O( _4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ' Y6 A4 W! S9 j2 h
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 2 ^7 p1 I' y6 C9 a6 h/ t
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet . @/ P( r7 R  b/ p
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet , d1 r1 W: `, y$ e' @% Q2 `
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
  A3 R$ P' S3 I: ]13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
% ~; M$ `6 N' m& h3 `/ B# Q! c4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
" o2 s/ b2 a9 D3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
% [. X8 a9 @+ T4 e( j9 }  {' {10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
) ]3 A; U0 F$ W. v1 J13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
. k# H# c* }% B2 ^$ T4 S2 l& {3 u3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
: k4 k" ^5 a9 S/ p" t2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
  X5 }! n: I7 J/ V3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet % @# w0 T2 E! |$ y+ F% l8 |
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 F6 V) v* }4 [6 Y6 ^- F2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 A. T. Q: n) r' W
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 1 H1 ^0 b1 I+ t7 x: H
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
5 _+ G5 ~% k% R% x% Q# e3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
: I4 t  B% H  t& o: s3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 7 b" w, M1 G% t1 K* i" C
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
" J3 {1 f+ z$ U& S6 F& c6 ]# p9 z2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 2 g# s, `1 f6 H5 i& K! {
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
9 U* i9 Y; n! W' u! P% v0 j! BDay Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53 ( H+ P7 ], R+ u0 b
  + }3 B  y9 Q( B4 d& [
Japanese aircraft 2 o1 F0 _9 c/ f
D3A Val x 54
/ b- ^* J$ p# V1 E& ]$ HA6M5c Zeke x 47 ' {2 C+ i8 n5 T% u1 F+ l
  * Y5 n# ^/ u1 d9 H2 p
No Japanese losses
- X0 y$ g, s3 U# R7 P  - _( P2 j) M3 C) ^' z
Runway hits 30
4 u7 U1 D/ P* _; L& N; ^
) j. a  O% J7 L' o4 r" L2 Y% fAircraft Attacking:
9 U' U6 R5 @6 n' `27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet ! L. q8 y9 z1 K9 \8 l( t
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
! n; H0 g$ Z5 L. p* @0 r1 a: m47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 0 w" H' w9 i8 x
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
* R8 `9 G  b& |$ IDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
4 U  v6 T7 J* u& v- }! ^
2 G+ [% ?- K, XJapanese aircraft 0 w3 B7 N3 U( `) U4 y3 w% w
A6M5 Zeke x 84 6 r% P$ u/ z: n' h7 ?
D3A Val x 98
! V9 a& P1 P2 l$ A7 g1 XD4Y Judy x 95
+ l- E4 W1 S. _% u6 a- F! h) _B5N Kate x 129
) B+ z" y& w# ~  `: E6 G6 G  Y2 wB6N Jill x 47
2 |/ }* }. v4 z5 i. Z5 w7 T
3 H7 \) q$ Q' O" ^Allied aircraft
" U% k" L, I+ B; PF6F Hellcat x 147 : }+ |7 B6 Q: C
Corsair IV x 24 % ]5 R, F7 V8 d- A( R
  ; e5 Z4 F) k9 i
Japanese aircraft losses ) p9 N5 w9 s+ A
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed % m1 k$ h) p3 }5 w& W. z, u! ]! y
D3A Val: 73 destroyed   S: o2 A# P. r$ ^! S: D' K* X
D4Y Judy: 72 destroyed
" b. z$ O; m4 v3 zB5N Kate: 106 destroyed
3 j6 \& ^) @8 n+ VB6N Jill: 40 destroyed
! h/ L! J" K$ k( m
. y) z3 x4 D* X! Y9 h* z4 J( B$ E+ u; BAllied aircraft losses , U; K" u& F- |$ t/ P
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged
; i% g' r! k( J( z: zCorsair IV: 1 damaged
( h" n, S4 J: J  4 ~* ^1 W6 g+ k6 h- E7 b% v: `4 O! I* d
Allied Ships
4 D7 e$ n6 l6 oCVL Cabot   E8 q$ C5 X& E" P7 b
CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1 5 g( B1 y% V: F/ Y! t. ~9 ?
CV Formidable
$ c  Z2 e9 ?3 q( c9 R  q* aCVL Langley
/ o7 I% F% J/ J. V) v% \CLAA San Diego 6 H2 V8 w6 U, x, C4 `- h7 R" s

, O6 W) h$ W+ Y' b9 [Aircraft Attacking: : I: T$ j8 i7 c9 t) l
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
$ r5 ?- U9 ~; D0 W0 p) u3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 2 P" S3 W, U! N$ M0 L  r# h
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet / o0 z$ q1 s& K) ~7 Q- X0 Z
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
* a" Z# U, i1 u" b9 g2 v3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
1 Z+ t: Z, Y$ U. I1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet   j' ]+ u: z1 `, b, W
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet ( k5 r' o4 A) D' ]! v2 u' c
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet + j" Y9 }& E/ ?  c& [
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 G# X) t9 j# a( Z! Z* a2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
8 E& ]1 s4 q6 P& z5 e5 r2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet 6 l* ^+ j7 K& U4 _7 y4 n. j& ?
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
# e, C. b/ L0 d% O4 A1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet / O# }. }/ I) X
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 1 I& [( X  \# P
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet ) [( _1 p- A5 O* @1 g
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 5 I2 \6 M' N& D% S2 i4 S
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet ) Q8 t% C4 i  q7 E7 p
3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 h5 ]8 b9 |& Y4 D8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
" a' Y7 s  r: x1 F* h$ I+ ~5 h! r6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
; `, r2 P" ^' k--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5 r; a! _# J$ @) \Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
0 [: n4 Q) Y( o* z  ! n; l2 j$ I" V0 Z/ g* v, Y+ s+ N
Japanese aircraft 2 n6 Y" K( _: q4 x/ H8 x
A6M5 Zeke x 6 . ^& ^/ E, x/ `& p
D4Y Judy x 27
' q& j6 s% W# r3 k. ]$ j/ dA6M3a Zero x 9
" u/ \8 l! m5 B/ y! xB5N Kate x 18 ; f8 w0 b* z( z
  ) E7 p6 n( e" Q, t
Allied aircraft
. Q, r$ d2 b. [4 a" z. s  qF6F Hellcat x 120
+ o. l! U1 A: U% I, s. l+ o4 ?Corsair IV x 24 # |8 {0 Q! |- S+ z, r4 i
  # k' C/ E# [2 L7 q% q  h
Japanese aircraft losses " P8 V" G' Z$ N& w  E; `5 a- Q2 l
A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed 1 p. w: [& @( x5 k2 U7 A
D4Y Judy: 20 destroyed ! a7 v+ W+ d5 E5 {  ^8 C4 |6 A
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed . }( A# P  X  Z& Z2 O* ~
B5N Kate: 17 destroyed $ h9 O; z% ]9 X2 l' e9 _1 R3 U
  7 Q4 e1 S1 C' C3 A- G. M
Allied aircraft losses 2 f! o" }5 B/ D) q
F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
+ w' \4 A$ k4 g) `, ^; K
) U3 w6 I0 U' R  Q0 I. |Allied Ships
5 C* t' K. p# i4 d, NCV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1 ' N- r  ?8 I. Q: W; Y7 d+ M
  9 F8 V/ P1 Z' F) T
Aircraft Attacking:
& w9 Y( x- f7 Z" u+ ]4 `1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet + v$ ^9 y4 p/ m6 T
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ' u$ T" `4 A' g% S9 t# X
Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
8 p, T' N& D9 f9 N' w; p6 S
2 K' A0 @' F2 w$ x' w6 ~+ BJapanese aircraft 6 G2 q: b$ M, V- E/ E' l" h
A6M5 Zeke x 9
0 d3 ?# }0 z$ ]' |1 nD3A Val x 9 8 G" H0 ?* [5 F9 b* b" |$ c
D4Y Judy x 27
/ r3 L% n, ^( f- r2 G6 I( F3 V, E+ NB5N Kate x 18 # b1 Q6 m# d  H& U+ t
  ) i- d4 A" S# q, L4 }7 c; g8 r2 \; d
Allied aircraft 7 F# m$ `) a) X  a; I% ~1 e7 f
F6F Hellcat x 115
) J' }$ ~. P( V: M& @Corsair IV x 24
8 V) O- g. q9 d& m. h4 t1 _
9 ]# V4 k  y0 a+ }: mJapanese aircraft losses
9 W, n. u, E* n- \A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed 9 Z3 `" E% S% r" J$ G# m
D3A Val: 9 destroyed
( ?* x$ z: U7 b3 P; n6 YD4Y Judy: 21 destroyed
% q  p+ [/ g7 _' ]( d; @9 r9 Q. NB5N Kate: 10 destroyed
* K# M: t4 c7 x5 L  $ N8 v; X4 T  ]! ?2 w6 D* Y
Allied aircraft losses
  c( V; M3 U7 e5 j' {8 }F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed
1 t$ ?4 _- U3 Y( q  - N% @" w' D$ G4 C
Allied Ships
% K8 _; w# L/ w- \: `& u5 @CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire * J" h0 N& H, e) g- q$ F1 A, p

" P$ a! h- t5 A9 [* Y' a, J5 GAircraft Attacking:
* r, w2 N( Q! [& ?! _! h' z; j" I1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
8 r1 s6 S+ D0 l$ ]( d. `9 K: X8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
$ i1 p) p1 Y3 l7 z7 y5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
1 L/ W( _* m0 s+ L) j! }) j8 Q! V--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
" t7 G8 g  Z/ A4 R, g& u: `7 cDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
  h, L9 ]) K  f# q4 e' C0 P9 V
) j% _6 U. C5 {0 oJapanese aircraft
# ~1 @6 ^4 e) Y2 r7 dG4M1 Betty x 6
# q; q6 \% C. D/ g
* h' [) g. E4 z. I, k# A* WAllied aircraft
# Z4 z4 f9 R% BF6F Hellcat x 98 * T! h) J' }# V' d0 J
Corsair IV x 23 + L$ u# m. _6 x9 r6 {) T1 s
  7 N& r% w! I9 J, f- ^  u& c, V
Japanese aircraft losses
3 N# e1 p' k  p5 k6 vG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed * Y( r8 f6 V5 |+ J6 g4 \' [
  , T! K0 ?' ^8 b  L. \* e/ @+ x
Allied aircraft losses
& g" H6 U& ~$ @* [9 x# F: |F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged # O# g2 ~* c( _( R: b

4 w$ i: P' L# n7 f' g$ N9 b  @--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 a# \" I0 r2 e* D- P6 U5 U! v- J& fDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 ; T. o! \8 \6 j: p! A& m$ ?5 s/ f

, k8 w. f4 y- ~  C$ n; HJapanese aircraft ; Z0 q1 z; H" u2 {8 h2 C" e, y. F
G4M1 Betty x 3 8 g/ d8 @5 _9 H$ o! E4 O+ f
  % H3 j$ h+ F$ \1 [) Q- S
Allied aircraft
/ D  [8 `! r8 E& }: |8 hF6F Hellcat x 98
4 N% k& a2 P. V6 qCorsair IV x 23 7 L& [( b+ X. D. R9 @& Z
  # |+ d+ ?6 Q; |. I- M6 P
Japanese aircraft losses
! L$ R$ ^' W8 ]& F2 l' @- kG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
$ s+ \* Z. k& v
% ^5 L' w/ C# b5 c  [- p  ' U/ l' ~$ N3 m, _0 n6 r
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
9 q7 _1 ]. G3 y* eDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 / o5 y* y1 W6 ?  k! F
  + ?. _+ {: c  }" A! _
Japanese aircraft
0 P& N6 X5 k0 g" Q. t4 G' QA6M5 Zeke x 50 0 C8 F% C$ R  V9 y; [8 t
D3A Val x 15 ; }2 _; Q3 {. i, V- x* N) D, ?
D4Y Judy x 15
& y" h; E2 H, q6 I+ fA6M3a Zero x 6
: I& T% M7 H! j: q9 u! AB5N Kate x 17 8 X* m. ~8 H2 ]* F4 L8 R" A- e/ k
B6N Jill x 2
6 W' w& c' l  W" X7 K3 P  6 l% N" k' s7 x1 s/ W3 P
Allied aircraft ! |3 {5 ^# O# a, B0 H; A
F6F Hellcat x 98
" I0 T: R. Z1 iCorsair IV x 23
" E) V" @2 Y6 Z  : z1 @' k; d8 ]( a6 I
Japanese aircraft losses
; i4 ~) l0 S; A1 l% k  o% P2 KA6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed
# P8 J' }" k) l& C" VD3A Val: 12 destroyed ( a" j- ~" T+ i+ S- m
D4Y Judy: 9 destroyed ; X8 @0 s  M& j  x
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed
7 o" ^8 \1 @& |( y& e' eB5N Kate: 16 destroyed
2 B9 z$ G* [; D: B4 qB6N Jill: 2 destroyed 0 U& n7 i( }' T

4 A- s! F2 O# k% `3 r. D* ?5 bAllied aircraft losses % t% v3 P: Q# ]- w' K0 n
F6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged ' \- F) b/ @7 D0 J/ B
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
, q% j3 f1 k1 z8 o3 A; P5 o
: }* b2 Y9 w7 dAllied Ships
3 ]" S/ t5 [0 p7 E9 fCV Formidable
0 x; d0 }3 `7 j$ y' e1 c+ f& gCV Illustrious
! A; X5 n4 |' B0 L, c$ B# `8 pCVL Cabot 8 s" d, K: k# X  ]
  ) Q$ e3 V. Z0 \- d
Aircraft Attacking:
1 `2 x2 q, M4 u2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet * x! \' Q9 R9 N+ L3 @: W
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 Y7 m2 s2 Z: L2 _' g0 W
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表
: z) F0 E! f# r( G  _4 T0 l: h! K. \3 U( a) g

; T: P. g: ^( C# O2 w: t目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重6 P# K# X1 M/ w% \. x: J
" |" m- y/ d* V
這在CV 對戰中, 對日方不利1 N' |8 W# ~7 t  W) v5 k* T5 v

: d# }" U7 r3 y3 e

原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表
1 I9 f( l# R5 ^5 J/ o: C( w; \% x" ]PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
6 R/ o& p3 k" v/ L6 C- `4 k y
4 ?7 z7 u: R3 ~3 D @2 M- n- h% x
0 h! c& |) ?2 P2 z7 u% L. p* r0 a- D& `% j7 f5 B; @- X
这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表
: z: L9 h& o' ]盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...