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原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表, E$ u# |+ P$ b9 U
怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？" l( J) t: k3 k$ x
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豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由浆糊于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表
5 M" L, }5 ?/ u. h1 C- M7 t楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表
5 [% ~! ^2 \5 c8 w+ [PzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。' j3 e' L1 ^6 L
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值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由逍遥于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表: |: _$ y- P0 J) v6 x
PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。
) N2 v E# `! C% Y4 A ~. Q- _- D他的KB似乎损失很重，而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。- z0 G, x0 `8 {( ]9 ~& H& E
还有一个，他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右，这个也不知道具体的情况。8 _: y; q: s$ `9 J" O# O0 K3 h. N9 G
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战报太长了，找不到战斗的详细情况。 ...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43
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- [. H" x6 x6 [3 YTF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84) % U( A" s) s7 l
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Allied Ships
( K2 M, Z9 {8 b+ C/ O/ O4 M$ l2 @MSW Cromer
5 |2 K2 c9 m- z6 ^3 Z+ t: t0 HMSW Goulburn
6 Y9 g  g6 ?' n# L' ?3 v
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ASW attack at 37,69 " o  ^5 c/ t4 |& h

+ N2 h; d: ?7 F! q# K( W4 I5 gJapanese Ships
& m% G7 N1 m+ c+ T: z+ U; NPC Ch 22
; ?$ ~, _5 N  {. b* ?PC Ch 20 7 b0 b( D  K0 |
PG Taiko Maru 8 j: @0 V4 R& |
PG Shosei Maru
/ M3 H% P' B9 j& V& @" h0 UPG Seiko Maru
2 y' x5 e9 ]) P" g# H1 _  pPG Keiko Maru
5 w5 e/ r. l& `. f5 f1 \PG Aso Maru 2 Y! o+ ?4 X1 H& @
PG Tamo Maru #7 . X( w8 d+ K! y2 F( G4 R- G* n

% Q! s7 A& |7 dAllied Ships
% C; G: ]& h& N, i4 h. j6 LSS O23
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Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 6 s$ j; d9 N* W. y" A2 U% M
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. q, I( b( u4 G4 {! V3 A2 O: [7 s7 gAllied aircraft , y. n  f+ O- M* L. J, O
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3
+ u. M6 w  n% s5 d/ U& S0 \% u5 [+ `F-5A Lightning x 2
6 g  r' K  W2 hB-25J Mitchell x 135 / l. ?. c5 _( K- ~
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Allied aircraft losses - X4 o2 @3 _3 B, o
B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged + v3 \# V! ^$ d, N
  , ~' }" g  P0 L, U9 J% `2 {: @
Japanese ground losses: 8 g7 ^, l. K! }# [8 V& f
163 casualties reported
7 _9 A/ Q4 m' h! y  SGuns lost 1
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; I! @) r$ x- R3 s( v$ Y2 I/ i, l# FAirbase hits 6 ; S: Z+ d( E/ u' ]
Airbase supply hits 3 6 ^) [4 a# e+ P# W( U! D+ H
Runway hits 126
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/ B8 S- s- u% \9 M0 eAircraft Attacking: 6 T* o  K1 R8 R. H: o
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet   |) k1 i# T2 e) Y& J! p2 G
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
+ t% Z  D9 J9 {* l2 u3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
. [: R5 F6 }  F+ ?1 p- a3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet : o, n* c) o/ W& {( o" j5 C
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 4 T% n( e. t3 p! V
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet - l$ m  Y9 i9 I! d+ ?* j
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
, w$ Q, _9 w+ h0 S. i, p4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 D( m5 z2 d) T: O4 E7 {* H
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
; }  k5 {0 t/ ?$ [10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ' E  x3 }" I- p
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
; P. {' z/ a$ @3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 W0 W9 a) \* s* y. f
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ( W5 g/ ~! r: z0 K& }  k6 D6 U! T8 ?
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 9 w, O$ C# L- N0 U* c
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
6 D* ~- M$ l, f3 G$ d3 j, l2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
$ ~& }7 i2 a+ z1 |& r4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 4 q' T. ^" Q8 Q* x9 C
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ' N2 t9 ]# e- ^
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 b* O4 \. c* I! J3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
) g( p9 n# ?0 u# k; Q. }% E3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
2 r9 e- \" ~* Y! D/ ]1 m2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53 # k" c5 p+ F) h! O! y% ^' V$ D
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Japanese aircraft
" K/ w; }4 p  l) S" w6 v8 h! n% u5 VD3A Val x 54 - q; U/ O' N) V' n4 y; p6 Q; e' W
A6M5c Zeke x 47
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No Japanese losses $ p' Z+ n! D& R/ q" e

; I5 ~, g0 h1 `9 ~! zRunway hits 30 ) ^, c) E4 s! w) d( ~/ X7 ~3 H
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Aircraft Attacking:
/ ^* X$ H7 l2 Y" W27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet & d1 l/ E# L) ?" `) V+ b2 F; ~
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet : F5 ~0 y$ P2 w* v; c2 N/ @, h' M
47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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; r' z4 ]5 U+ h$ A- n* s5 G6 t4 `$ wDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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0 {7 w  J% [+ F- ~, {: l+ EJapanese aircraft
, o' }1 I" T, W% r7 D9 ]A6M5 Zeke x 84
. m8 e$ K( s  A' M( M$ j1 [0 q6 `7 ^D3A Val x 98 - }- \1 v  x+ N. B# }
D4Y Judy x 95
9 f0 B' ^8 e6 z5 L  I5 Z1 DB5N Kate x 129 8 b. z3 K3 s- D% q3 ~
B6N Jill x 47
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, ~( M4 o6 k; j5 ]( z3 o! W; lAllied aircraft
, k* B( y9 c! H8 I( q  M* GF6F Hellcat x 147
* }( _" e4 f2 S& G/ i, o6 K, |1 lCorsair IV x 24 4 h/ b1 \  @# ^4 @$ z- I+ T( B

1 b4 N' n; S0 w; |, @, IJapanese aircraft losses ; H# o$ f! U* h+ y* B; ~& m
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed & f6 ?6 n: R" a3 |0 K
D3A Val: 73 destroyed 7 P6 q* Q4 s, T$ d1 V: e( Z. @% P
D4Y Judy: 72 destroyed
* s" ~* {9 @6 W4 i1 M) M& U8 |5 rB5N Kate: 106 destroyed
) x- s5 N8 h( P- HB6N Jill: 40 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses 6 _% F' Q0 h3 I2 P
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged $ h7 J2 E7 C$ t+ ^( ?, e  b
Corsair IV: 1 damaged 4 R. f3 B% M& o7 Z$ w# H
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Allied Ships : ?) h  B# W3 J+ |/ l- k
CVL Cabot
5 n7 J1 g6 ^, X8 s. eCV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1 ' J/ l; G' f3 Q8 k; \( B; I
CV Formidable 8 [6 ]$ O( k9 H0 g" m. s
CVL Langley
) E7 L2 t: s2 ^CLAA San Diego
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Aircraft Attacking:
" ]$ {" T% T# y* Q) y' R1 h1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
+ ^2 }/ X: b+ n+ Y9 ^3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet - t% q* W9 I( D# e) I, N5 Y; o" o
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
6 U+ X) F% v% y* s7 d5 y4 P3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet ( V5 [0 U: A; o0 ^  U0 M
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
1 `. m" K: C8 J6 U' g1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet 7 q8 Q/ o# a, p6 Z) U
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet ! w7 L7 c9 k. s0 Z8 g
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
7 P" J/ f9 Y6 M# U/ s3 h4 |% d: }1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet % v; l/ W  g* ?
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet : k0 p# u- W" K& E  |# c2 Z
2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 L) I* I" b# @6 D3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 4 x6 r5 v# X8 J! y4 }) {2 t
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
* P! O# x1 l+ N" Z4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
8 `6 k% V' H- y5 V" G4 r2 w4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
; k+ f/ i( @! c7 E6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 5 b8 H3 z( q0 J; b2 r
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 5 o* C% l0 L) J" m
3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 m% M9 ^. U* u, x8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 1 _* o9 E, ?( Y, j3 ]
6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet . G/ f5 ?4 k3 L+ l  u- w- E
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft $ g. d. N1 y" A5 D
A6M5 Zeke x 6
# T6 ~' U" e+ J' K3 I1 w! C" ]D4Y Judy x 27 1 H# W8 C. `% W2 x$ L! P9 v- v& L, E
A6M3a Zero x 9
- M- d- U* I( d- h, W5 k# kB5N Kate x 18 * z0 _  Y8 a6 y* p& E) P0 T
  4 W1 F) u9 q9 u" N' h8 m! g
Allied aircraft 0 q, I  I' n* P
F6F Hellcat x 120 % j, z$ q- ^1 U: G7 v! w
Corsair IV x 24
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+ e. x+ b# d+ d2 M8 wJapanese aircraft losses
+ A7 u. k8 H2 ?# d" k8 r5 {A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed
9 S6 I- v1 v: o+ U+ o- dD4Y Judy: 20 destroyed : n9 }- P+ ]0 @( P
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed
2 t, @; [  c" H$ ]' N# wB5N Kate: 17 destroyed
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& A# @+ ~/ d! i! C3 r) ?- bAllied aircraft losses " y1 q) B7 R1 A" v
F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged ) n, ?- \( L: T4 |! X' ~
  6 y6 V5 U& V8 }' j# x* Y' |1 q
Allied Ships 1 L: D* ~, z+ N! |* S1 u
CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1 2 v& ]' U- S0 B6 m
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Aircraft Attacking:
: n5 h9 \- Q  s4 ?; _1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet % n% r/ U- P# K6 J" V
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft
& P3 h( s- H8 X. E3 Y' \A6M5 Zeke x 9
, X% _. q  {2 m$ F& s4 @9 ?  oD3A Val x 9
6 U; K/ B1 G% h$ p! B# T- XD4Y Judy x 27
8 D2 [3 m! s; J, I) N/ s( jB5N Kate x 18 3 }/ ~) A! B* t
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Allied aircraft * q. ?7 V8 {/ c+ A
F6F Hellcat x 115 ; I0 u6 b2 v& h7 p9 u$ E( E* A) v
Corsair IV x 24
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Japanese aircraft losses
5 ^& {4 b6 l8 j7 T9 VA6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed
1 G! d; e$ _6 p. U2 jD3A Val: 9 destroyed ' L5 g1 h& h: ^5 F  r
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed
6 O; i% V  k1 Y$ Y) [9 Q# bB5N Kate: 10 destroyed ) g7 z: X! B! _" p7 }% C
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Allied aircraft losses
# m" z, d+ R) kF6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed
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+ ~) ^$ d) B& P+ g6 bCV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire ( @9 F8 g" i3 m8 \" W0 V
DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire ) L. m5 X9 U& D7 z2 W; F' }! |

% g4 H- a4 ?- qAircraft Attacking: ( k$ j+ P+ y0 }% n; z
1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
/ c; J: q. {0 N  Z# a/ g; S8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
- X. E9 W3 B6 }8 T/ F; |+ a- X5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 9 r8 y3 g# F+ `9 v0 Y
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: `0 T- e. V6 E1 QDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 ( i1 N6 g$ P9 @( L5 b4 e% a, D

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G4M1 Betty x 6
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Allied aircraft 1 O2 Z2 w- K+ N% n5 }
F6F Hellcat x 98
5 h) X4 n" s# F" k% A) p7 n( VCorsair IV x 23 / e( B; ~6 p$ M! }# ?+ ?4 Z

4 ]3 y7 Y- _: cJapanese aircraft losses 7 q, Q( b" ?7 T  U7 q
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
$ V$ m- d: C5 ~0 H1 ~  6 k- U+ u$ L  I6 |2 _, F
Allied aircraft losses " d1 f' W% q2 q5 k6 f
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged ! D+ z+ r  I  X4 ^% |

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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 0 d# i4 D0 ~7 A, z
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Japanese aircraft
- U* y1 H: c1 _7 L7 \6 X; VG4M1 Betty x 3
6 t0 m* o6 Y/ X, I  - `. ]5 j+ Y# |, Y5 G6 c/ n
Allied aircraft 0 h! C% B; x* X% r+ t+ |
F6F Hellcat x 98
& b# {% {; V7 G6 d2 a! |Corsair IV x 23
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6 V# Y- }7 n, s) f% q% L* MJapanese aircraft losses 2 T/ U  U, E5 P* R& I4 b. q
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 % ~/ v" c) d6 v2 T5 e) j) a. l
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Japanese aircraft
4 |" D, e/ W5 t: cA6M5 Zeke x 50
! s+ X4 ?* a; pD3A Val x 15 3 }/ H: e5 ~& H0 S# n' Z4 Y
D4Y Judy x 15
. ]) ?1 G9 g8 gA6M3a Zero x 6 . d8 j1 \- b7 R; n* y4 Y9 o
B5N Kate x 17
2 a2 d7 J" Y1 T* ^& x) z. wB6N Jill x 2
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Allied aircraft
' p, M. @. ?& QF6F Hellcat x 98
( h. @) J1 f! N5 R# jCorsair IV x 23
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! P. O. L: _. e# K) o4 P4 zJapanese aircraft losses 1 x4 m, s5 a0 _3 G/ \
A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed $ o' a2 \! {( ~" M! v* _! H9 S' N# n  B
D3A Val: 12 destroyed
) e" G: l) R, r  x! ]( UD4Y Judy: 9 destroyed
! T. @& O9 j" r: ]( ]1 ^8 QA6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed
B5N Kate: 16 destroyed
" [* `# s3 g' ?! R- K6 F0 eB6N Jill: 2 destroyed
5 b8 M5 {1 _% X5 k8 C" h" w  : `" V" s6 u5 Z  V6 S
Allied aircraft losses
0 Z6 I8 e, R: S; ^" a2 ?# hF6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged
# E. N' t' Z" b. cCorsair IV: 1 destroyed
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Allied Ships
! ]- _4 ^7 y1 M, b6 r' sCV Formidable + Z, c9 I4 M. x6 D% h
CV Illustrious
7 c! F! v) }' ]CVL Cabot ; c- R  F7 N4 b4 [

& ]4 r* W! O% C1 K& S0 m/ FAircraft Attacking:
3 b; N6 o5 e! m9 u2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet " V  w) k) o2 S" B2 K( Q
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
' W0 n- ?% H6 D3 {% q( M0 G& x# D1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表+ }- U7 k; x4 n+ p1 V/ E+ L
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# ~3 C$ l) I3 T目前 PzB 跟 Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重( v4 ^/ \, S; G+ t3 ?; r# W

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原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表
& J; K% _; e5 |6 f; q; `PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表! }& Z- l# t) J& C- s% M

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这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由飞龙于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表3 T$ u( X( H0 b7 k0 V+ q7 G9 }
盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...