原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表2 q4 P* C0 d* \6 x
怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？4 b0 @7 X" z! e3 \2 f: c

9 p/ C* T: k2 W0 S' b/ B; k豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表( k) \0 q0 \3 @- F
楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表
% O6 f+ E* y+ K* }! EPzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。, [) Q4 x+ Y2 A7 Q+ F

( c! [& {* p7 a5 w/ V( Y值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表! @% y) C' z$ t8 n. Y
PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。. v' x7 K  @9 \& x' q
他的KB似乎损失很重，而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。0 H/ ^/ k4 \4 ]5 i1 s. A
还有一个，他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右，这个也不知道具体的情况。: f5 D4 W7 m5 R* u* V% d8 a, }5 y
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战报太长了，找不到战斗的详细情况。 ...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43 8 u% e5 L/ T$ N

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TF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84) 5 c6 ]) `9 ?; V; u' O; o
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Allied Ships & S. U9 O) M4 M4 s
MSW Cromer
5 q9 d- v- q7 S: N" v9 N+ k7 NMSW Goulburn
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ASW attack at 37,69 & u0 W+ f& H! |- J1 |
  
% Q# e5 n3 D4 P: d: W# CJapanese Ships
* J) b* _" l7 t, i7 M3 SPC Ch 22 ( f/ Q6 T& m0 N
PC Ch 20
' y5 n0 E1 S% u3 a: R. f4 F: b: bPG Taiko Maru : K( t% z) h$ i, \0 w# P
PG Shosei Maru ) u8 u8 I% G3 U' |7 }& D
PG Seiko Maru
# g# f% ^* H- k* N3 w9 o5 _PG Keiko Maru 5 K4 w% z4 o: {- e$ i
PG Aso Maru . I! h1 M2 v: |: F: m; [/ g$ F
PG Tamo Maru #7 5 b- |' \6 `8 K7 z$ I3 V0 q; ]
  
5 {6 d4 D# I! a  _! u4 {8 @4 |Allied Ships
0 p3 ^' F: d0 ySS O23 / `5 N5 `: _8 l- P8 p8 f
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# S9 L& ^+ }& M. }, {$ hDay Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
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# T1 t( W+ T( Y1 v) F- s: O0 a# L7 y8 bAllied aircraft 1 z- \$ H5 N! ^; |' o1 }6 b  x
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 ) R7 {: D! e9 c  e; f& J. t- ~
F-5A Lightning x 2
2 e) S8 {7 s* b' A' q9 B) nB-25J Mitchell x 135
8 z5 _6 g" P) T. S8 y7 K2 M2 s  
8 ?8 A' j4 e" s: C  
7 c. u! y& H+ B6 O  T  W- d1 VAllied aircraft losses : Z0 S, n, g. e, d
B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged ' j: U  C0 u) x& T& g. x
  : K# C; u- ?3 u+ c
Japanese ground losses: 2 t6 W5 g: h/ q& U5 s- t% n
163 casualties reported ! L2 `) i- k4 q2 a* K  \
Guns lost 1
& L  s7 p2 i- L0 |" M  
) S1 T" t; @2 K( @Airbase hits 6
  ]" Y2 ]. @" xAirbase supply hits 3 $ a. x- v& s5 O2 X' d
Runway hits 126
4 p' a1 S) @0 i7 L1 v  ) J  h5 t3 `/ k6 A. w* Y, f
Aircraft Attacking: 5 S" C8 }' Z1 ?* b
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
9 H9 y  G' V4 K+ M, [4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
9 d" E3 j2 l1 K% l8 a3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
$ c8 E3 `3 s, j  `3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet / E% o% r; U* N; D/ F6 Y
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ; S# C$ z  y7 d* c
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
# f# S5 o7 m" w- Z- d) n13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 0 d, f) `3 e7 k
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet - @0 t: ^. x3 _6 m. }
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 1 X1 a; q5 Y: Y4 c% I* J* l: Y
10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
! A  c/ i; z+ H% h; x13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
) v& _- Q- G- D: i! y% d3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ! l8 K% h& R7 j3 I, M+ m
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ! N' E, w0 T; Q: p5 W
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet $ ^! ]  e* P# f
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
. f+ M/ o7 T( ~* z' Q8 i2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
' t" ]7 n$ E& ~& i" n  `4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 0 K, t$ P, @7 s1 ?
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
" I0 e- M8 V+ d* v7 j; L+ J) ~3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
# A# u2 M6 H& C  ]! y! C3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet $ k9 e1 o* n$ c$ F+ O4 D
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
8 d, e7 E- A9 `% R1 f2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet - h! T, t' X7 e
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
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Japanese aircraft + ?. V1 K: k. K' f; w
D3A Val x 54
7 O% q* P  s: o! H/ g8 aA6M5c Zeke x 47
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No Japanese losses 4 W6 c, s! M) z) {0 I) x
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Runway hits 30 : ^3 O* s( Z- h% a
  4 k2 ^1 K  t: X, S
Aircraft Attacking: + g% A1 P: f9 x" K
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
+ c9 e# o) E; ^27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet ' K5 c& R9 `2 C
47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet ) U! U) o/ o) J- C% q* N7 X. a3 `
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
3 ^6 s' V4 p2 [6 G% h: R  
; T! B* z' E5 G0 u0 S* X' yJapanese aircraft 8 U: A1 T) x: o( f/ a
A6M5 Zeke x 84 " ?% p' `9 @- Y  m' K
D3A Val x 98
$ q- K2 V1 A& q2 U0 H- wD4Y Judy x 95 9 m. }  @3 U% q8 R. f: _
B5N Kate x 129
% v- V& }4 U4 {6 {! }0 FB6N Jill x 47
$ r/ O, D1 o. d$ D0 r  
1 Z/ |1 V4 K( e% N* H2 PAllied aircraft   K2 k+ _' K- \. I" k9 o
F6F Hellcat x 147
$ W& N, U+ |7 X7 _! q( N9 ^8 KCorsair IV x 24
0 p/ X3 O8 r; t8 ?" t" T  * m1 X( Z+ v% P5 ~+ i. g
Japanese aircraft losses ! [4 `0 N; G: H. X. o8 P3 |
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed
6 g( h+ t! U/ M: q/ w6 w; X4 m5 nD3A Val: 73 destroyed / i- Y4 w% R" s$ Z) a( d
D4Y Judy: 72 destroyed + u; g& c" S+ n0 l
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed % `1 Q% @  ?/ t( ~( U% Z' R
B6N Jill: 40 destroyed 2 L, [& \$ z+ k
  
$ n( G3 ]& H+ r0 z$ qAllied aircraft losses 4 G9 ^( ?5 n& V1 B# ~; {' S# k( E
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged
' k2 D2 S8 O) A7 o& U/ WCorsair IV: 1 damaged
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Allied Ships * d4 |& |, C1 z$ t; b
CVL Cabot
! I, l/ g8 T9 j; e) |% gCV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1
  T& {) x8 L" i' [: rCV Formidable
* H7 L( L: Z! _! E/ j) L7 u: O0 ^CVL Langley
- u1 u, {  J8 e. d3 m9 L' }6 E* }! kCLAA San Diego ; p( e6 x! Y0 q, }
  
2 a& b8 C3 E# o4 v# uAircraft Attacking:
7 a3 R6 c8 C& g  e( g8 q1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet ! ]1 e, S# B9 f+ B
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet & {8 a  C( q: B* M4 h
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
/ d4 d+ W0 Z. r3 a- N7 {) G" P3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
$ c6 c# }( M: Y, n: @3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet % s! Q4 J" c3 N) Y# D" _. ^
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
" ?  I# h3 o* C4 j0 i" Y3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
- ?! Y" g. s6 g' T1 K4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 6 X: f, ]: J% u+ E+ |1 ^
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet 8 z8 ~4 f3 s7 L7 [
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
8 a/ s/ N. r& m1 p+ C. F* i; J2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet + p- n& U" I$ h& G% K2 j
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet ) w5 {6 N4 o- U! S9 ]
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
* F0 e; G/ d7 z7 o1 F& B6 s4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet . V0 T8 s8 X% e4 V, M" y
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet & e8 {( z8 W7 j: S9 j
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
# o* o2 X9 R6 g; H0 F3 w9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
& f4 M+ v0 {9 x1 d0 b& F! [- ^' y3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet 7 R4 o- T6 {' P2 Z1 W8 o# P
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 ], \  P- |2 b8 T6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft
: ]  M3 |6 C% U, A% SA6M5 Zeke x 6 6 a4 o' c% Q2 N$ Y
D4Y Judy x 27
8 d1 i& i% v9 f! |+ e8 K, qA6M3a Zero x 9
% E* I9 G+ q6 c! V1 [B5N Kate x 18 $ t  @* V2 ]0 w' w/ b0 |
  9 L6 Y( }2 C# W2 a4 i# W
Allied aircraft ; h, P) R3 J$ \# Q* C/ H
F6F Hellcat x 120 : ^, @4 j! A+ F
Corsair IV x 24 9 @  b2 N  J) Z/ R
  ( h4 u) m9 ]9 E: |% c3 y
Japanese aircraft losses
" j  N" F' c: Y) D# M" eA6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed
$ @: ?8 }9 P: W' t& A5 {D4Y Judy: 20 destroyed 6 ~0 t7 `: l& ~+ e: @2 s( L
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed + [7 j# a6 H' J1 @8 P8 X0 I
B5N Kate: 17 destroyed ) u( d* o, @  e  v4 U8 N
  . r% e; Y! |6 R: b
Allied aircraft losses
6 @! ?" I! A5 ]* @7 F  cF6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
3 Z* L. y  ~0 f, i# R' W  2 x/ r, X4 |" n2 @9 M% J9 n
Allied Ships
: c& M" Z4 z' G# Z, B% s# @* Z) _CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1 & q% {, C: Q& ?! H0 K4 f( \. U; l
  
; O" ~' q" h, I, k1 e% pAircraft Attacking:
5 h  y% b% Y4 S  ]% c# U1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet , I9 ]# S+ m; _5 m
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
9 I) \4 a' P  P$ ?! U8 r  
1 w5 j8 P$ \5 X1 P" [Japanese aircraft
" @, `! m; D* ~" G; gA6M5 Zeke x 9 2 h) o2 ~5 o2 J7 s
D3A Val x 9
* e# q! f, k; }7 i& U8 E( g4 nD4Y Judy x 27
' a8 V1 M, Q5 i6 w5 O+ VB5N Kate x 18
( h1 I: f3 I0 m1 Y+ o2 U  Y% x% p    K$ ?2 ~( ^4 ?6 u' d
Allied aircraft
; y9 V' {' G; t& o$ i% {' a( YF6F Hellcat x 115
( N1 v- ~; Y% s1 G5 o1 M4 }7 U6 O/ YCorsair IV x 24 0 C/ N5 q, t$ A9 f5 R# I
  
2 x' X5 m$ a" U* yJapanese aircraft losses 6 J; j. G( }3 V
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed , H; b8 S( p/ z8 l
D3A Val: 9 destroyed 4 X/ c1 g+ i; ~4 O4 B
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed : Z6 Y1 I/ G4 A
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed . d* U9 y0 E3 D, T  g) f) \
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Allied aircraft losses + h2 O7 i9 p; o5 e
F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed # q1 [7 U2 _4 o5 U" t2 C5 _
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Allied Ships # B4 V+ `; y8 E/ ?5 [# i  [
CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
8 q! X/ y5 Z/ @& hDD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire ) c: U! ?2 G& h! G: E: S
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Aircraft Attacking:
; y6 p' P: D/ R+ b) ^7 {$ @1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet * s3 O8 t, u5 ?" ?7 u6 o
8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
8 z+ W: \( {2 B5 F) a6 y6 r2 q0 i5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 3 u( f* b. ]. C/ e$ d
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+ I# o: G- r- v' IDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft
3 x) n) n+ O% c" K% ^7 OG4M1 Betty x 6
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Allied aircraft ( S$ }% u- D& i3 ?* W, o' w
F6F Hellcat x 98
" e) L5 _( w* K4 L& k" WCorsair IV x 23
, _! Z6 X) i" C' t  
' m7 ?/ N# g% m/ e, j& B7 }Japanese aircraft losses
0 b. t& r7 X) S4 O1 mG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed - S0 a, N& }- D3 H$ R; L( R0 e
  
2 M* r$ H/ R. X1 G0 m; a, N" EAllied aircraft losses % `8 g: V7 a2 d0 s% G
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged $ ~' H. W- \+ C
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/ a6 F' G$ ?8 Y, ~Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
, D* F& k/ B1 ~2 x& _: G* g0 O  
. B! M& u5 R. fJapanese aircraft
3 H6 ?' U2 o2 e* a$ SG4M1 Betty x 3
! O/ \. ^- X& \! r% u5 m" l! C& q  
/ I; }4 W7 B  }, j) M; g$ JAllied aircraft $ q8 L; \- U8 q
F6F Hellcat x 98
$ L+ \& g" m! f4 j( o* F  |Corsair IV x 23 4 F$ K* m8 J7 A# M% A9 G
  8 e% N5 ]5 j% Y! k9 N' I- {. o, h
Japanese aircraft losses
( ^# e* k% B- u  j5 Z, P$ m% \; nG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
) _. ^. }: w# F9 Z  # f+ c" n3 ^, B( d
  
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
4 g5 Z5 Q; g+ |5 b* s" ?0 A  4 b5 F2 R3 W, [. N3 H: ?) f" h
Japanese aircraft ! Q; `8 g* j5 X
A6M5 Zeke x 50
# `) H7 I2 a! x8 X: ND3A Val x 15
0 }( T; P& }! Q  LD4Y Judy x 15
. y# f" P( ~3 I9 k, mA6M3a Zero x 6
- O* _! ~. W' P) IB5N Kate x 17 * T/ [5 R! d: Q8 h) \8 I
B6N Jill x 2
# q0 R; p/ i: t' I  
; ]9 l- D* ~9 ]( q, HAllied aircraft   `" q- J) n4 o4 O3 v' I
F6F Hellcat x 98
% X0 Y7 k$ L3 D# M7 z  W* QCorsair IV x 23
- A8 `- O8 j/ z0 {2 m  ' e4 {/ `9 n2 j" ?. o6 E
Japanese aircraft losses
  \0 a, q. j  I* @, T# V5 X, p& h# `: YA6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed
* z3 ?) T& x) c+ hD3A Val: 12 destroyed
( \4 T! L" k; N# t. ~6 ND4Y Judy: 9 destroyed
/ }7 p: R/ j) H7 }1 M5 wA6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed
' \0 O. o! E: i- u: x: b; u6 G& c3 fB5N Kate: 16 destroyed
. X( B) q3 h0 g( ^. T/ B& pB6N Jill: 2 destroyed
: t/ H& g1 |4 k0 L) l$ G  & `2 N1 U% Q# Q
Allied aircraft losses ( q/ o* @* u) Y6 v/ D! y8 ]+ ^
F6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged
# F& N7 {$ A0 @, m/ ?Corsair IV: 1 destroyed ' S3 p& p1 k5 d5 z3 w/ C6 G
  
+ s. x1 B' k( M# z" c( s3 KAllied Ships
8 e1 Q* ?2 P% H) h, [5 ~CV Formidable
% a4 a4 m4 @* K" L# R: ?CV Illustrious
$ N5 m* F) Q/ {# G: zCVL Cabot / i+ I5 g8 ^  l; @5 `1 i5 x7 ]
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Aircraft Attacking:
% M4 z" @4 _2 v( J7 ]. M6 W; b. w2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 n2 x0 j& f! ?* y4 k: H
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 0 ?9 E5 Y7 @1 ^
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表
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( _  C6 ^# D8 V" ^1 R! \0 F目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重* l. k1 {- i5 u/ Q  ]& z; N, \

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原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表
3 x# y: m. {8 t0 n2 `. pPzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表) ]3 ?  Z  z( R# S0 q
盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...