原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表
2 w! u4 \5 W. `2 s1 B- r; [" K怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？
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豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表
9 |9 p# v3 Q1 Z) S3 k9 W* [楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表
4 V" {( H9 V7 Z2 \9 sPzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。
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2 {% W5 ^+ [7 B7 W$ Y值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表
( d/ s* |7 m2 D8 gPzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。
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还有一个，他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右，这个也不知道具体的情况。
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43
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( L" }2 g  S! G. ?" i+ jTF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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9 E% s( {# K" x  m8 @/ }Allied Ships - c9 l, k4 f8 F. X  u7 h1 C
MSW Cromer
1 U9 Y- V& X, L  k# ?& P+ H8 C$ uMSW Goulburn 6 O( g2 Y; @& O- A, `7 [; ~" H  [3 M: s0 ]
  
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, L7 g3 q7 u  t+ b2 [1 rASW attack at 37,69 & A+ ?9 G8 {- a* ?6 O
  
& K$ [3 K/ D' A5 u- y) j7 S3 [. @Japanese Ships 5 D& C* H; B2 H
PC Ch 22 ; C3 l4 o- ~2 d  Z/ Z, l
PC Ch 20 & X. J. {$ p5 Z$ E# F
PG Taiko Maru * v7 r2 U7 o4 t6 K2 y
PG Shosei Maru
) s. _3 k+ b5 a; [4 f* k9 ZPG Seiko Maru
- D- D  n7 Q. ?  U( V7 }7 cPG Keiko Maru
. ]+ c* x# q$ {5 V$ D3 SPG Aso Maru
4 b. Z+ ?, O9 u) tPG Tamo Maru #7 / B7 M- z2 X( K6 m) h
  
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SS O23
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( }  \' f7 r/ p( \* {9 i: CDay Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 ( L5 n8 u" \, z$ L% |
  
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9 c, \+ E6 K& ?3 s0 W* }2 O" K2 N! q* AAllied aircraft " A, w9 b0 H' G
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3
! V5 {4 @' U+ U. p0 g& [9 aF-5A Lightning x 2
5 x# F5 e# {4 \. DB-25J Mitchell x 135 0 z$ U9 Y$ f/ m5 B+ U, n8 }( ?) f
  ' u4 s! n. s/ `- c4 V
  
& _9 r7 |7 E) ]# H- ]. c( nAllied aircraft losses
. H# _+ y" q5 i% ~B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged
6 @# D  L8 j* Z) n& l3 B  
+ h. |! E  V' F. _Japanese ground losses: 0 n  f; y- X) G3 p+ w3 g3 x+ T
163 casualties reported
9 C. [$ X- d3 J! R: j1 oGuns lost 1 # N3 t8 U7 Y' R( H& y  C* o
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Airbase hits 6 , E. i. F0 m7 x' O! N; u
Airbase supply hits 3 3 G  x' T  L3 e
Runway hits 126 . @* N( `5 V  L/ J
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Aircraft Attacking: ! [4 c& V3 c- H
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
0 x. m  G7 l, z4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet # o7 M2 N7 ]2 P
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet # ^: K) E7 }+ j9 g
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 E* j3 s/ v" R% i16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ; [/ T+ R$ X4 `) j2 j1 J
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
5 ]% s7 w7 m; i13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
& _9 B" N) L2 h$ S  ]3 V% T% ~' p4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 1 r- U; U  L* @" M, T7 G  X& e
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet " l* @, P1 D: I8 l9 g
10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
- b# }5 ~, f/ e2 d) l+ @& [13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 7 _# ~, d  t7 [& K: l: w  J/ |; H1 c- H
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 0 T8 V$ O- B' ?4 \) W* _
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 ]# t  A, q# ^4 k+ g3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
6 O3 m4 Z4 }4 O+ n6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
8 Z$ \8 V: m- M6 N9 K7 a2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
7 f1 V1 y- j! _7 P/ g3 B5 t4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
/ ~& w; A/ O, r8 J8 o( x' K  U" n5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 5 C9 Y4 G* N' |- d0 A  _6 ?
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 L/ h: z! @. F/ m3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
$ f! m& T' E) A# I' z0 W* [3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
, e) ?* J; M; p0 h2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53 9 U1 f6 P# ~2 t5 G: A# Q
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Japanese aircraft
8 @' S5 B0 G) }D3A Val x 54 % A$ c+ h% _; i2 @  }2 P
A6M5c Zeke x 47 % N" o' n* j) L' U  @: _
  
) p" o# m7 ^! P) a/ x) ^' pNo Japanese losses
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" P- H# T" \; w9 V) YRunway hits 30
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Aircraft Attacking:
: B9 o* z* v( @% E27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet # t1 c+ q+ ~8 W2 F. \9 f
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 2 a) |: f5 W$ U
47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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- ~0 J- K: D3 l, ]9 O% n0 kDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 $ ^6 h4 u/ u. k
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Japanese aircraft
5 b$ A  R* S( D) D# d$ TA6M5 Zeke x 84 9 i/ V6 ^4 b* q# A5 o% u
D3A Val x 98
0 o2 u3 {/ J6 c' h+ f/ DD4Y Judy x 95 " F3 [$ g; [4 @
B5N Kate x 129 ! O0 k' o* M$ \3 F! n
B6N Jill x 47 . V7 l2 D: z; c0 W) n
  
' d4 O2 Y% l/ u8 T: RAllied aircraft
0 f8 u/ ?; [/ ?% j' p) S! g4 y6 ^# vF6F Hellcat x 147 ) d5 l7 [" h6 K  o! y
Corsair IV x 24
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Japanese aircraft losses ( |/ R  s0 g) K( x. D
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed " N' |% e( O2 Q+ r; {
D3A Val: 73 destroyed
6 b5 l! P+ l( x6 y3 JD4Y Judy: 72 destroyed ) ?9 t6 B9 k  ~. l  ~6 }. f
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed ! m( u' }3 a) g& U$ d. m7 w7 t
B6N Jill: 40 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses : F, M0 @' y' e8 V- \3 R8 R  c0 a
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged ' A: q3 W( H7 s( C4 h2 L$ O2 G, |3 C
Corsair IV: 1 damaged & X! |2 e' \) p, Q' C8 Z
  
3 o& L/ R1 m9 o7 e  dAllied Ships # D0 f0 x0 T4 W
CVL Cabot
$ a# t* g4 Z% z0 H1 Y: aCV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1
* w' [: W& ?+ x; d; E% YCV Formidable
2 g' [; G/ Q. h6 a  r; h9 q: t$ pCVL Langley " k1 N( o& {; H, P: _& Z
CLAA San Diego $ w; _; c9 i( @' H1 W
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Aircraft Attacking: 5 D1 N: K' A5 R8 M/ \  \3 m
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet + i( t$ C; W0 \$ H- }6 u
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
7 r' }+ j( c$ c0 T1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
; D0 A4 N4 \: |- i+ t3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet * T* `) w; o+ h6 C1 e
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 6 P. C0 J5 R: S5 E7 E) R4 g. D
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet , d" [3 C$ y3 d, `9 ^
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet ' O  [8 t. l! A6 j! Y$ ?
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
5 d  b7 ^& M- K( P1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet , X! c- |' P5 l  d# {8 N
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 4 i% r. h! J0 G1 y6 C
2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet % Q/ u  U6 B. _" R
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
, ~* [' a/ Y( z+ y/ b1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 2 U9 L  L9 W! m; W! A2 e, d
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
6 S6 T; n4 S7 x4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
$ @0 O! F. i% W6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
- C. I# d$ ]) v9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
; h2 q5 A# C' {/ J& X& u1 d3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet   o) w# c& i/ F0 ~+ L( J" O
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
- k  R# H) P7 k. i6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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; Y* _( m3 z; n( r1 D, M9 `" Q9 qDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft 3 ]& L1 R; M$ v3 `. t) W" x$ ^
A6M5 Zeke x 6 * U8 h* x4 n8 d
D4Y Judy x 27
$ P  `# G" {7 f/ H1 {3 a$ oA6M3a Zero x 9
4 e1 a5 Y5 h5 G2 mB5N Kate x 18
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1 E& u/ M5 z7 }  x: T2 @Allied aircraft
- ^! s! I% s" R2 \$ Z6 ?' L. AF6F Hellcat x 120
& z: q& _+ F  {: C7 ]0 aCorsair IV x 24 ! K" x1 _& ^; c
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Japanese aircraft losses % |7 p; Y  F0 m8 @
A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed ! @& E1 z" C) p  U
D4Y Judy: 20 destroyed
4 a2 G/ p( ?( l) u, i' _A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed * J# D! Z' k! ]! ?- \
B5N Kate: 17 destroyed , ~. o/ x% ?6 b& V: Z6 g- f) D
  
/ n+ a' d2 ]0 t1 dAllied aircraft losses # c! X' U) Y! Y2 k
F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged 1 R; t: K& Q: _
  
& I1 d5 D3 ?/ H9 A  z& Y; dAllied Ships . U$ D4 K/ z2 r& N* N
CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1
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$ e. |1 C' g/ q8 xAircraft Attacking: 6 S: M9 z( Y" N1 G7 g; Q2 i; c8 R
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet " p3 U" w/ q7 `. ~) {
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7 ~& g4 u. [: k. }" mDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 $ q; I7 z% o* s# x. I% H6 K
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Japanese aircraft $ x2 k$ E- w! r. c  y
A6M5 Zeke x 9
9 P* H2 t% ?' U+ y) @( q9 uD3A Val x 9 6 V: f" f' i/ i, W0 c- \
D4Y Judy x 27
# A/ z! x6 `% B7 `$ r5 l& rB5N Kate x 18
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Allied aircraft
9 S) h& g) ^* \- c0 H0 \F6F Hellcat x 115 $ I  k. U0 z, c3 W3 _4 }
Corsair IV x 24 1 \6 [4 j2 K; R4 C
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Japanese aircraft losses 1 O( v! g. V+ v$ s8 e( p3 t
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed
* ]( B+ {  B, M+ nD3A Val: 9 destroyed & u. G/ G" y" I" t9 C& M9 W: g
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed
! w4 N% {4 ?4 e  p, zB5N Kate: 10 destroyed
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: k5 y/ ?$ j- d: DAllied aircraft losses
( l- I* Q1 v( K& [& t# yF6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed 2 R8 C. K/ y- ?( t' U
  
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  G: f# {, T* x" M: fCV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
$ v+ V3 d& F3 y9 {/ {$ [DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
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Aircraft Attacking:
# Z" q) ~- \8 _- F4 T6 W1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
0 o2 i8 l3 a  _; b% `( Y- L8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
3 X! N" y2 o4 K3 I8 o4 l  ]5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 + N! y2 I' _2 A
  
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' E% _% e  c- ~, G# c6 ?5 gG4M1 Betty x 6 ( |9 d; d0 |+ E6 c
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Allied aircraft 3 K" O: A$ s* V: T! `6 u! S
F6F Hellcat x 98 4 ?. I& s, C9 V# b/ q9 g
Corsair IV x 23 & x; G0 D3 ]9 ?7 ?/ B
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Japanese aircraft losses
4 ]5 ?4 l! O- N/ K- E4 v' m; kG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses 6 Q4 Q* Z( {/ S) c3 T6 e% z# B, z
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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. e& C7 q: q8 J. @& u+ eJapanese aircraft
+ G7 C8 L8 F. _1 a9 l9 yG4M1 Betty x 3 2 T. l1 R9 g! _2 A# d) R
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Allied aircraft
# n/ D- ]1 ?  z3 _8 iF6F Hellcat x 98
0 ]6 F! Q% `$ M& H7 H6 ^! M9 Y# BCorsair IV x 23
9 w; X; X+ y7 D& I( s) i# D$ P) F  
# J4 f) K1 U6 i7 ?' SJapanese aircraft losses
5 X( O! x5 E: jG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed / E9 g: J7 U/ ^7 x3 }
  
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79   u) F6 S( H4 |1 i% A
  
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  j' R8 ~% t! l* r% y* V1 cA6M5 Zeke x 50
" a& |1 m" L% ~) r( A& G; a) hD3A Val x 15   ]- J  Z' f" G( m
D4Y Judy x 15
4 Z" D( o2 H: ^" Z6 ?: O/ O/ z5 uA6M3a Zero x 6 . `. j8 H% j4 W- k
B5N Kate x 17
* E' e2 ^' f: i1 A( z+ O: GB6N Jill x 2 4 z' D% h+ f" c9 E" C: r
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Allied aircraft
# e  H9 W# ]  |F6F Hellcat x 98 5 P/ d7 j5 M7 E4 e- m
Corsair IV x 23 : [, r9 B: J7 k  d: U
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Japanese aircraft losses
+ B. q; v1 b% [6 I- y/ n$ MA6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed ) v5 l) l% M& A2 Z$ j
D3A Val: 12 destroyed 5 t; _& P0 @3 }/ \
D4Y Judy: 9 destroyed 9 s# ~+ g3 F2 v2 `& V, T+ }
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed   o# g! X7 L& W5 o0 u7 x3 \! z
B5N Kate: 16 destroyed % N% D6 w4 d- j7 M* |( ?" x
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed ) L, ~% D9 S9 x) U3 X4 H7 w
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Allied aircraft losses
9 y* E3 c, V/ i1 PF6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged * B- _% @9 d: n8 u
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed 2 r5 K$ V( J& K$ K% W
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CV Formidable 4 L, _3 {6 W: I( a* n$ @5 [8 j. x
CV Illustrious
  V  P# R2 ]% w( a. `CVL Cabot - [1 t: T1 e; N+ z6 N) o
  
  }) E; _; M9 B1 b3 d* @Aircraft Attacking:
. _5 d& I7 F/ p( o% j2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 0 q. Y) ~; x: c- J% M
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 F( G9 ~3 J7 Z* I- q. L1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表# ?0 S; a& E7 ]# ^/ Y2 T8 M

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目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重" r$ a; f& P! s. D6 B* E

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原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表
8 `. g" g& @; X1 Z5 O9 o& n" mPzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表" y3 L2 V- B) `9 U1 |" [* Y) r

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这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表
1 _$ X7 m! b/ Z6 {: B# H7 `. r盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...