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官網上 PZB 的對戰最慘烈.
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日本玩家進展最好的Sneer  & Raverdave 的對戰, 此公打下中國 + 印度 外加 珍珠港.
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[ 本帖最后由 wildcat 于 2006-12-6 17:45 编辑 ]
原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表5 V- l* P7 ]2 r
楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧,我等去拜读一下
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0 i4 \8 A2 i) d5 Vhttp://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=988842 (sneer vs Raver)
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8 E! B) C; q# u- Z" O/ @http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=679803 (PzB vs wobbly), c' F  D7 n1 x: o; m
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http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=997347 (Andy vs PzB)
原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表
2 T; P% H8 v! i* @/ PPzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。$ P* Q  F% P: N4 C* w# C
他的KB似乎损失很重,而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。* h- L! b! I9 m
还有一个,他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右,这个也不知道具体的情况。
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战报太长了,找不到战斗的详细情况。 ...
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% n1 L" q1 G* ?- m7 N目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重
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這在CV 對戰中, 對日方不利% Z8 T+ j* D0 b4 t, T. E8 [+ U
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43
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TF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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Allied Ships
- K7 r, r  P: l% F3 }MSW Cromer
" \! S' L' {  O- aMSW Goulburn
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ASW attack at 37,69 8 G! q5 N5 a6 ~5 e
  
" I% `) d7 g2 ?Japanese Ships + M$ C2 s: K0 B- N( t
PC Ch 22
4 _% V( f$ J3 A  A& W/ M4 mPC Ch 20 , [# q, N! D9 }4 y3 k
PG Taiko Maru
# D- E7 ^' ]4 U" u. x1 VPG Shosei Maru ! M9 F2 ^0 X# c) [% }# ^7 Y
PG Seiko Maru
$ j* e2 n' y8 T' r, Z& L9 y  H, QPG Keiko Maru ( A9 A+ f* I& D6 j
PG Aso Maru / j" G7 Y( D9 }6 k* T0 t
PG Tamo Maru #7
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Allied Ships
4 I. T6 F1 ]3 W0 \3 ASS O23 0 U6 K1 x# Y' d" F
  
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2 @8 L( R7 n7 j" W- h: cDay Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
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& _, w  v+ a3 _$ |Allied aircraft
, P  c  q# F# k6 V& E# l1 QBeaufighter Mk 21 x 3
$ d( a7 g) \9 B! ~9 t% i; FF-5A Lightning x 2 # t( k! S+ T" q. q. k) p4 q
B-25J Mitchell x 135 - C# J  \& `" A# U$ k2 h
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Allied aircraft losses
! N: s8 q8 X( W* `; ^; u0 `4 p8 YB-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged % a' |! \; R  c) x8 g2 w
  
6 u  A& B. N1 nJapanese ground losses:
9 ^, I; |" f2 v1 Z163 casualties reported " O3 u7 L+ K! L* I2 r
Guns lost 1 + q) {8 ]( Z/ Y) Y# A* J1 f" K
  
" v* F% G$ q$ s" T; _) eAirbase hits 6 0 q5 ?, _" K' q5 ^
Airbase supply hits 3 * J6 W* N  w) |2 [
Runway hits 126
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: ]9 u/ b" n1 W7 V3 e5 ]; IAircraft Attacking: * y+ _1 E) t8 @% ]7 H
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 1 J3 |% v3 D$ s7 P! D2 i1 q
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
% E* P" r  W5 b6 ]* a$ }3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ( \" B8 W4 U9 K0 J6 E
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet & z+ b& G# q( w% \* }
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 Z/ c" Q8 n! c24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
7 q& {. k$ k! a9 n+ J. f13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet " O8 Z8 {" n9 E
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
, b& a) a5 f+ i* E7 u& v9 \3 ]- _3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
$ i' R1 D  V$ x  \10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ( `0 K& j/ a/ z2 W8 ]% @
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
( A8 c0 P* e* S  E# T9 ^3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 B3 u& m3 m9 y; H2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet * c" }$ z0 O; ]6 ~3 ]7 l+ _
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
5 I. D+ S6 n# r# k6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
) p/ x; m/ B+ P$ c2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
! i, {& F- N0 }* w/ ~4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
2 i" R" V- d5 H+ {" J5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 1 D4 b! a, D7 w- c% ]
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ( n4 V+ a  w# d! e1 M" J8 b/ S
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
1 m. R% O. j3 |8 v; _2 `: [3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet - u3 o, s' U. K8 N2 s# ]9 e/ d6 o
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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5 X4 ^% p' E/ }* Q# G- P" R' g$ RDay Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
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Japanese aircraft + Y7 [' X$ U  ~2 k2 O* W
D3A Val x 54
% l6 z6 d9 I$ X7 d8 tA6M5c Zeke x 47
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No Japanese losses
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! @/ K0 y3 }3 h9 W2 F1 C6 BRunway hits 30 5 ?' n/ K; O1 y4 O, s* B( L
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Aircraft Attacking:
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! T$ C( [) u- ~9 _27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 ], o* H' M5 J! o& V4 h2 ^  m
47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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) V$ Y( ^/ u. ~1 F; w% M8 E( cDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 . }4 f$ Z2 n3 G8 U
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Japanese aircraft
3 H' _. Z4 m0 F+ d0 }A6M5 Zeke x 84
: U; t8 x. V  U0 UD3A Val x 98 . f* Q+ E, @8 {; e5 I; k
D4Y Judy x 95 3 p6 d9 u7 j4 C4 R5 n6 o- e
B5N Kate x 129
3 {8 @* f' T; z; q; L( LB6N Jill x 47
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Allied aircraft , @+ j2 l# X( J3 B( k  ^. t' r
F6F Hellcat x 147
$ _, `' W) o* C$ ]1 lCorsair IV x 24 * b5 w0 y/ X* u+ O# u) _6 N
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Japanese aircraft losses
; w8 P! u- c0 J7 F5 ~A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed
7 T5 K2 d- H  m: g- @) mD3A Val: 73 destroyed ; r+ _# V2 H0 }* y6 x& q
D4Y Judy: 72 destroyed 8 \# s3 Z) G. F/ F  y; i  T6 z
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed ; d4 a7 o" b) y: g7 o! }
B6N Jill: 40 destroyed + ]/ K+ \& u9 P9 K( b5 d
  
9 o& j# R3 K, FAllied aircraft losses * P; n5 ^* k6 ?6 f+ @% A
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged
/ v; d- R3 |+ N/ Q3 s0 w8 aCorsair IV: 1 damaged 4 d9 p/ T  c1 u3 P: z0 ]% x) W
  
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% X9 `5 a5 m/ K" ICVL Cabot 2 p8 Y8 ?) ?8 q- U3 f7 D. Z/ m  _
CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1
+ f+ V. X6 e4 z) F, q! T/ G1 vCV Formidable
. K: m1 p3 j/ I/ fCVL Langley
3 o( u, I; T1 |0 L! O1 p  o9 tCLAA San Diego : d. C7 J# r5 a3 s
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Aircraft Attacking:
+ g9 z+ \, N# H# @3 X1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
  O& k9 ~0 c: H9 A3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
- \% v3 t. f( L2 u) X/ V/ H0 A! i1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 3 A0 d" J9 A( {# P4 |
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
. e$ _+ w! J! ~# ~8 I& U3 F2 `0 f3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet . r" S. w- v- ]
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet + x% H( X* b( Q( A  i3 D0 }
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
- H/ Y3 Z' Y) l0 e3 V3 X/ v  b4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
' r  N1 }$ s4 C7 E% g1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
) |$ n  a% t" {  ]+ n4 \4 K$ d2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
; o0 a1 R! E8 J3 A1 K; g2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
( z* v$ [! E) ]' `6 b$ C; ?; E7 ?3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet , d# ]$ ^6 y. `9 f( a5 `
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet $ r6 f2 ?( U: C( ?; ^5 D! M2 V
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
/ c' A$ f  {- n! I+ [# E1 |  L  l4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
% a# _8 e, @0 e& o6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
& g0 b6 J; f4 \, P) [, _$ c9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
2 P! I% z. F1 b7 U2 I3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet ' M; M# O# t( H1 |/ z3 |  m! m( f
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet # S9 _6 D$ N2 V/ S5 V& j
6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet ( b6 g" m3 F8 r, C/ S( A, _
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+ U- u- l- _3 [- S1 j2 O  ?: _Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 : ^! S9 O* ~  u2 J9 H- O& M5 j
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Japanese aircraft
: @- e( J- v, P- Y* X9 q; dA6M5 Zeke x 6
$ c2 d5 @  g* C8 i; R$ XD4Y Judy x 27
0 [$ t  {/ D9 h, c5 YA6M3a Zero x 9 7 O& N  K5 B! }2 N9 [2 C7 k3 P
B5N Kate x 18 7 z% [+ E$ Y: b7 k
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Allied aircraft
4 L9 ^4 Z6 x# q! Y) }+ {! AF6F Hellcat x 120
8 D1 Y* _  X' |7 OCorsair IV x 24 9 B$ \4 {. {! L; M1 L) z# m- ^4 a% h
  
6 v( E3 H% H$ q2 ~Japanese aircraft losses 0 V( f: C* H# d) y0 f
A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed
) X% Z! L6 \9 K) ^2 [( tD4Y Judy: 20 destroyed
$ J5 x5 m6 }0 s* h$ [/ W# MA6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed
, E+ R) S, g1 Q- `+ lB5N Kate: 17 destroyed 1 ^  M( v9 ]9 H& Z  o9 Y/ P9 B5 e
  
  |' D$ Q- i. }3 |Allied aircraft losses
2 j) l' P* E) H1 U9 mF6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
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  R- c. Q4 C5 T7 J+ ?# vAllied Ships $ G9 r' Z3 L" {9 c! b
CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1 ( w: t  r: J) v3 b+ a/ D! {
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Aircraft Attacking: 0 f* w. g; |) s; b1 ?
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
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3 [) Z( m2 n, }, y: S7 ~2 GDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 5 j, F& K0 A* z2 A+ U7 O) m
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Japanese aircraft " E2 {; T7 i  S1 L4 Z
A6M5 Zeke x 9
7 N2 |& a! f3 l. W7 H2 r' ID3A Val x 9 * H' P) I& H* l6 C% M
D4Y Judy x 27
" O' r! a' O6 M+ EB5N Kate x 18 : b) [2 R6 J! t% q
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Allied aircraft   x# @1 @. B' E5 T
F6F Hellcat x 115
: j! G  e5 G" GCorsair IV x 24 / c) M' S2 ^/ L  m
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Japanese aircraft losses ) D8 P# k. o" |. M& A0 A/ a
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed 5 b  A8 Z. L8 ~4 x6 O) E( V
D3A Val: 9 destroyed
) v0 j, c/ v; q& |% mD4Y Judy: 21 destroyed
/ B$ M+ W) Z, EB5N Kate: 10 destroyed $ Y5 ?4 N0 V" o1 u  u# [2 p
  
5 ^# @  I& a: |- }& M- Z5 SAllied aircraft losses 8 _+ s# X- F% b( \' g  }) m, ~
F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed 5 c! |# p, v5 S6 Y
  
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CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire   K% R5 h2 S. K2 G- E4 u6 N2 y" J
DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire & o4 F( w  j' N; g: e
  
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  u2 c; s) G- B$ ]& |0 `) ?1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet : a% {5 _, _- m$ _- F; ]
8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet % B5 X+ j5 o; V: \# O# J
5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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# l9 C! ~- Y! T- g3 j( I; HJapanese aircraft
5 l9 t& H" w: |1 N0 v! u1 n3 VG4M1 Betty x 6
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Allied aircraft
2 v" ~0 @6 L; ]/ E: M0 c" r! z( _F6F Hellcat x 98
- f3 t& k1 [* |Corsair IV x 23 % j+ @  Y& P4 v0 g3 h
  
  n% ?* Q$ |4 U; f, {4 N/ Y0 mJapanese aircraft losses
/ `* A- K+ |% j% W( U) ]5 PG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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& _- O/ B8 E: d* j( I- y8 mAllied aircraft losses % u, m1 w( y: M9 k# g7 g
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged . i2 g4 B  O& Q4 U& G
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/ w3 d( Z( _' f( L& ^Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 9 g* z' Q6 ^* F; G- a6 s7 |; H
  
* [& O% k0 R# m: h3 qJapanese aircraft 5 Q0 E) s) q) I# v) ^9 B
G4M1 Betty x 3
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* V# C3 w1 z+ R& p* _% rAllied aircraft
- v4 E6 Q; m$ o: g- b1 yF6F Hellcat x 98 8 G+ I6 O* E+ o; \
Corsair IV x 23   G4 j0 q) D' r; |1 n" Q4 T! e* Q
  
  d' H* K1 U+ t" z5 c1 `  T& {$ i7 nJapanese aircraft losses / J& e; {2 ?; X) m, ~, l- }
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed ) |' V+ B0 p. a3 @0 R6 [
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/ E$ C" r: m5 L9 U" IDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft
% a# w1 _) N( N7 Z$ k, o8 X& [4 cA6M5 Zeke x 50
5 d2 ?5 }3 U( ^- KD3A Val x 15
3 \& H+ j' I7 S: T4 G, q; r$ z/ Y: lD4Y Judy x 15
- K6 s7 v2 Z0 nA6M3a Zero x 6
9 @( a$ x# s; M* @% VB5N Kate x 17
, |5 q4 |0 g. I) |B6N Jill x 2   t0 ^% D, Y: e9 E" h) x
  
% i. T- N% O$ f7 a7 n; M$ d0 ]+ jAllied aircraft
1 w$ S" p! m8 `F6F Hellcat x 98 . X2 O1 _8 t# O' n! F
Corsair IV x 23
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7 {. M/ G8 Q, w3 D+ PJapanese aircraft losses & j" j- H2 W- i8 G2 I
A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed
2 a% o$ g3 `/ OD3A Val: 12 destroyed
0 T# k: Y" y# K: u* i0 d6 qD4Y Judy: 9 destroyed
! }0 a( v8 s* ~  W/ lA6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed 7 o' p5 u  ]# |4 Z* D! [' c
B5N Kate: 16 destroyed 3 a3 G  o4 @; c" _& j
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses
* u9 m' G: \$ `F6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged
% T& D5 q- G6 f# ICorsair IV: 1 destroyed
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CV Formidable
/ G9 F9 s* m0 s9 nCV Illustrious : z. u# \& c' \: a
CVL Cabot
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/ P1 b+ _+ |1 h' ?! u0 B3 tAircraft Attacking: 2 x# I8 h6 ~$ Y( F- J: S. Y
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 0 J; _; R: |% j3 ~  o7 d# G
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet * M3 P% X% B5 F! ^6 d6 F
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  
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[ 本帖最后由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 11:07 编辑 ]
原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表
# T9 c; Z+ t$ S5 F8 Z0 ]2 }: F$ n: CPzB vs wobbly的我一直有看,他的战报既详细又配图,sneer的无图,不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港,不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了
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2 M: q2 Z+ K; x' b7 Y- D , 看太多戰報,  可能記錯了. 應該是Sneer 另一個戰報吧. 原諒我
原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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2 p+ U  N1 h+ N/ L6 Z这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了,面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了
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9 ]1 F' F4 n) j# ?0 i80+ exp 的 Zero 52 型 vs 60+ exp F6F 打成這樣. 真像獵火雞
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