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你最后这张彩图不是H级战列舰,而是O级战列巡洋舰。你的来源是德军中心吧。

[ 本帖最后由 Corsair 于 2007-2-9 16:16 编辑 ]
首先关于H级战列舰的命名,从来没有正式命名过,唯一比较确实的说法是我所看到的资料(德国Marine-Arsenal杂志的Der Z-plan特辑,作者是有名的Siegfried Breyer)以及日本《世界的舰船》杂志增刊“德国战列舰史”还有其他资料里的说法∶
H号在1939年7月15日始建于汉堡的Blohm & Voß船厂,被计划命名为Großedeutschland,大德意志
J号在同年8月15日始建于不来梅的AG Weser船厂,被计划命名为Friedrich der Große,腓特烈大帝。
但是这个也不是正式命名,而是当时新闻报纸里的普遍说法而已。虽然如此,应该是更加具有可信性。当然正如装甲舰德意志号改名为吕佐夫号那样,估计即便是H号命名为大德意志号的话,也完全有可能被改名。

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原帖由 赵亚彬 于 2007-2-9 14:29 发表
没错,插图是O级战巡,6门380。还有,有的资料说H级用的是403炮,请大师解惑
H级么,本来就是一个计划,当然其中也有开工了的。这种已经开工了的主炮为40.6cm。由于这级战列舰的停工,原来准备安装的主炮也被安在了大西洋铁壁,其中有名的就是林德曼炮台,此炮台取名自俾斯麦号的恩斯特·林德曼舰长,共有三门40.6cm炮。


至于正宗的H级拆了以后,德国的舰船设计师们总不能白拿工钱,所以么,怀着游戏心情,每年设计不断升级的H级,从H41一直到H44,反正设计得大,只要不施工的话,财政部门也不会掐他们脖子。其中主炮有的是42cm,最后的H44则到了50cm。
设计也是游戏,只要大家高兴,便皆大欢喜。
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原帖由 trytry 于 2007-2-10 21:03 发表

那是阿道夫同学在40年7月下令设计继续进行的,否则他们哪有机会拿这银子“游戏”下去。
这个我们就不用操心了,只要可以欣赏钢铁猛犸就可以了。

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H class battleship (1939)
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"H-39 design"  
General Characteristics
Displacement: 55,453 tons design, 62,497 tons fully laden
Length: 872 '
Beam: 122'
Draft (max.): 32 ft 4 in design, 36 ft 6 in fully loaded
Armament: Guns
8 × 16"
12 × 5.9"
16 × 105 mm AA
16 × 37 mm AA
24 × 20 mm AA
6 × 21" torpedo tubes
Armor: 12" belt
5" deck
torpedo detonation plate around key sections
Aircraft: one catapult with four aircraft, probably Arado 196 seaplanes
Radar: FuMO 23 system, but not specified
Propulsion: 12 MAN double-acting 2-stroke 9cyl diesels
Speed: 30 kt maximum
Range: 16,000 nautical miles at 19 kt
Crew: 2,600
The "H-39 design" was a type of battleship proposed by Nazi Germany before the outbreak of World War II. This was basically an enlarged version of the Bismarck class battleship, and was designed as part of the proposed Plan Z fleet.

Contents
1 The Bismarck Class
2 Gunnery problems
3 The design
4 Construction
5 Other designs
6 Coastal artillery
7 Comparison
8 Armour statistics
9 Gunnery statistics
10 See also
11 References
12 External links



[edit] The Bismarck Class
The "F - G design" a 35,000-ton battleship program was started in 1932, and was laid down before the Anglo-German Naval Treaty of 1935. These would become the Bismarck Class, the largest battleships built by Germany, and the heaviest battleships in any European navy. Despite this they had a number of design flaws, which the admirals of the Kriegsmarine were determined to correct in their next design, the "H Class". In 1937, Germany's Oberkommando der Kriegsmarine OKM ordered a study for a new battleship class to succeed the Bismarck design.


[edit] Gunnery problems
From the beginning Hitler insisted on 18 inch or 20 inch guns, instead of a 16 inch caliber. The naval staff had difficulties in persuading him that a design mounting guns larger than 16 inch were not practical. Any battleship which mounted 18 or 20 inch guns would have to weigh 80,000-120,000 tons, with a length of 1,000 feet. This would also mean reconstructing German ports so as to service such a ship. Additionally a German 16 inch gun design had already been developed in conjunction with the 15 inch design. Any new design for a much larger gun would dramatically lengthen the design and construction process. Finally Hitler agreed with the H-39 design as proposed.


[edit] The design
The H-39 Class design was basically an enlarged version of the Bismarck Class. Though they both looked much alike the H-39 Class varied in many important points from its earlier half-sisters. The most noticeable difference was the two smokestacks of the H-39 Class, instead of one like Bismarck. The Bismarck also used steam turbines for propulsion, while the H-39 Class was designed for diesel engines, and had a 60% increase in operating range over the earlier ships. The twelve propulsion diesels would also provide a top speed of 30-knots. These space requirements also prevented a hangar/catapult arrangement amidships as in Bismarck. The hangars for four Ar-196 floatplanes were placed in the aft superstructure with rails running on either side of the aft turrets to a centerline catapult aft of turret D.


[edit] Construction
In 1938 OKM developed Plan Z which would enlarge the Kriegsmarine by 1945. Part of this called required a total of six H Class battleships to be laid down. In August Hitler ordered that the Bismarck Class be completed by late 1940 and that the construction of the H Class would begin in 1939. In January 1939 the Plan Z was adopted and the order for the six H Class battleships was placed. Proposed names for "H" and "M" (这里疑为J的笔误)were Friedrich der Grosse and Gross Deutschland. Construction contracts were with the following Naval yards:

"Schlachtschiff H" to Blohm and Voss at Hamburg
"Schlachtschiff M" to Blohm and Voss at Hamburg
"Schlachtschiff J" to Deutsche Schiff- und Maschinenbau AG at Bremen
"Schlachtschiff N" to Deutsche Schiff- und Maschinenbau AG at Bremen
"Schlachtschiff L" to the Kriegsmarinewerft at Wilhelmshaven
"Schlachtschiff K" to Deutsche Werke at Kiel
"H" was laid down on July 15, 1939 and "J" on September 1, 1939. "K" was scheduled to be laid down on September 15 but this was postponed because of the outbreak of World War Two. A hold was also placed on construction of the two ships already started. At the time that construction was frozen "H" had 14,055-tons of material ordered, 5,800-tons delivered but only 766-tons worked into the keel. There had been less work on the "J". 3,531-tons of material had been ordered but only 40-tons put into the keel.


[edit] Other designs
During 1941 and the "H Class" was redesigned ("H-41") and it was proposed to bore out the existing guns to 16.5 inch/48 caliber. One of the reasons behind this conversion was to give these ships a larger caliber weapon than those planned for any known Allied battleship. This and the later "H-42" never got off the drawing board. Then in late 1943, Hitler's original idea of a huge 20 inch gunned battleship was drawn up. This was designated "H-44", but with the stress on German war production at a high level it was decided by late 1944 to abandon the project. The assembled steel was later used to make U-boats.


[edit] Coastal artillery
While only ten of the four-dozen main gun barrels needed for the ships were completed, without the ships it was decided to use the guns constructed for coastal artillery. Four guns were emplaced at Battery Trondenes outside Harstad, Norway. A twin battery was built on the island of Engeløy further south, as Batterie Dietl. Three guns were set up near Danzig, Poland as Battery Schleswig Holstein. After extensive testing the guns were transported to Sangatte, France and set up as Battery Lindemann, from where they fired across the English Channel at Dover. Today, the Adolf Gun at Battery Trondenes is open as a museum during the summer season.


[edit] Comparison
Compared with other battleships of the day the "H Class" would have faired better than the Bismarck Class. Not only did they have improved armoured protection but better armament as well. Statistics show that their weight of broadside would have placed them in fifth place behind the Yamato Class, the Iowa Class, the Vittorio Veneto Class, and the Richelieu Class. They would have out-classed every British battleship afloat. However, the proposed British Lion class battleships, armed with nine 16-inch guns would likely have outgunned them, and sporting an extra 85mm of belt armor (380mm), would have enjoyed greater protection than the H-class.


[edit] Armour statistics
Armoured Belt: 295-175 mm
Main Deck: 80-50 mm
Armored Deck: 120-100 mm
Torpedo Bulkhead: 45 mm
Armored Bulkheads: 220 mm
Main Turrets: 380-125 mm
Secondary Turrets: 100-40 mm
Conning Tower: 400 mm

[edit] Gunnery statistics
Range @ 33 degrees - 40,245 yards (36,800 m)

40.6 cm Schiffskanone C/34 (960 shells)
40.6 cm Sprgr L/4.8 m KZ m Hb High explosive shell (1030 kg.)
40.6 cm Sprgr L/4.6 m Bd Z Hb Semi-armour piercing shell (1030 kg.)
40.6 cm Sprgr L/4.4 m Bd Z Hb Armour piercing shell (1030 kg.)

[edit] See also
Adolf Gun
"H-44" Class
Plan Z

[edit] References
Battleships, Axis and Neutral Battleships in World War II, 1985, by William Garzke Jr., and Robert Dulin Jr.


[edit] External links
Naval Weapons.com
Battery Trondenes
Draft of H-Class
The Battleships (Projected) That Never Were.
H-Class NNT Model (1:700 scale)
Schlachtschiff H
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_class_battleship_%281939%29"
Categories: Plan Z | Battleship classes | H-class battleships
原帖由 赵亚彬 于 2007-2-16 02:16 发表
听说希特勒想造装800炮的大船,有这回事吗?
不敢说没有,但是我看过的所有比较认真严谨的书籍里都没有谈过有这件事。阿道夫对于海军再无知,对于战争经济他有他非常敏锐的悟性,所以对于装备800mm火炮在经济上意味什么应该有所认识,也因为如此,我本人对于这个说法持怀疑态度。如果他说过这个话,我相信也不是抱着认真的态度说的。有人认为阿道夫是个不正常的人,所以才会说出各种荒唐话,闪出荒唐念头。本人认为这个不是一种负责任的想法。
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