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没有制空权就没有制海权,没有制海权就无法防守孤岛。
江湖
在58眼皮底下强行补给没有成功希望,天蝗还是且战且退吧,反正拖到结束还是有希望的
鬼畜米帝组织阅舰式正巧拿快速编队操了炮
日军是准备声东击西吗?美军不能高兴得太早啊
27v5啊,坐看日军守备部队玉碎
都什么时间了还能声东击西?不露底盟军才会有所忌惮
舰机不存人不语,波纳佩前立斜阳& n8 H* a# T7 H7 u. S3 x$ y( T

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使用大规模杀伤性武器是完全没有人道的
由于战事突然,并没有太多补给库存在波纳佩,在战役过程中,补给消耗的速度大大超出当地的库存数量,因此,战役一开始,帝国就已经开始组织各种手段投送补给,但是还远远顶不上消耗的速度。此战基本宣告波纳佩守军获得外援的所有途径的断绝,剩下的只有依靠守军自身的顽强了。
使用大规模杀伤性武器是完全没有人道的
大将用起了拖字诀
我一直觉得蝗军补给不充足。
江湖
天蝗国庆放假出游,本档暂停了几天
"I have nothing to offer but supplies, fuel and women."
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 08, 44
0 m1 i$ D* t, S' |/ j/ R盟军继续在岛上同日军打炮战,日军伤亡稳定增加
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Ground combat at Ponape (119,113)
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* [  p$ u0 J. i5 d% t$ w; Q5 BAllied Bombardment attack
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0 B% I7 w2 G! Z; f' P, lAttacking force 5327 troops, 333 guns, 148 vehicles, Assault Value = 2444
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Defending force 45223 troops, 615 guns, 278 vehicles, Assault Value = 10001 h2 R2 _9 f  a
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Japanese ground losses:
" K9 ]# v' \1 a/ c      834 casualties reported
& [6 w# g9 ^$ c  W1 H7 t2 @+ Y         Squads: 33 destroyed, 19 disabled. a- G4 y+ F5 i+ }8 B
         Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled7 I7 D/ z# h+ l1 ^% g. r
         Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
& B1 c" k! n8 D9 d9 t* \      Guns lost 16 (4 destroyed, 12 disabled)& }& L( ]8 b: y4 y
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Allied ground losses:* ~2 u. ]6 q9 J* \
      16 casualties reported
6 z4 D8 n+ }* ?$ |! N* `         Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
( x/ O, q" d* T9 n" _* p         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled! _( _' ^- v, d2 i
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
"I have nothing to offer but supplies, fuel and women."
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 09, 443 F' ?7 {7 ]9 K$ n2 X/ B
盟军再次对波纳佩发动猛攻,日军疲态毕现,已不能持久! C) V1 x! c) ^" {$ ?) S
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TF 195 encounters mine field at Ponape (119,113) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!4 O0 r$ e/ ~# z' p. v- h" [6 h

/ f7 B( W* ^  s+ I; `& S100 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.) K9 C6 o$ x6 R8 ^! P- V

7 }. h, m! m' o/ ^/ ^Allied Ships
$ j3 L, w) b/ W6 K& ]' E      DMS Ellyson, Shell hits 1; @0 e7 f; i! {
      DMS Forrest1 V7 B9 `2 R$ {) P) x9 P
      DMS Hamilton
+ P6 b. L; @0 v0 u: D      DD Guest: i9 x# g4 t( h0 _" I
      DD Albert Grant
7 V0 ~. G' I0 j9 ^' M      DD Daly
' m& E: `+ K/ n' K$ U      DD Cowell+ U1 ~$ B: o4 e' n
      DD Cotten
! v, n4 ^. n" n; u      DD Foote, Mine hits 1,  heavy damage7 `) a" n3 h' q

- G+ ^+ c; D- {% i  t7 X7 bPonape Naval Fortress firing at DMS Ellyson/ S5 Z8 D: \$ d+ }8 B4 }$ S
Ponape Naval Fortress firing at DMS Forrest
8 r2 Y! f4 e. e2 n' R$ H; |( N98 mines cleared5 K1 D! a; [- X9 R
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Night Naval bombardment of Ponape at 119,113
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3 q1 s6 Z9 e" E9 EJapanese Ships
( [. }0 G3 p1 |+ }! e/ g      ACM Wa 1, Shell hits 1,  heavy fires,  heavy damage& y) n7 X( K6 y2 v- K

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1 F0 K! m/ l9 _/ \  B- x      CA Wichita
4 m1 y, t6 w: r# N- [# a8 t      CA Vincennes0 r/ C9 P+ \% m# [; p9 _
      CA Quincy- [3 l4 y4 A: M& S8 P
      CA San Francisco8 Q. e6 P6 o# k5 T  K
      CA Minneapolis
! q- b4 G3 `$ e3 ~      CA Astoria% O1 {' ~/ \9 ]2 K. X3 K
      CA Chicago
! C  d6 K- w$ R" w      CA Louisville
* n" N: f) t  F- p  |/ [2 S, I4 M      CA Chester
* E. _/ q: [8 N0 G' Y, r      CA Northampton$ J/ U' W3 ~+ d) ?* T. l* }( E0 I
      CA Portland
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Japanese ground losses:
& c8 H: V5 C8 ~+ B% N8 T      54 casualties reported
* m5 {6 Z" B* P4 O0 I         Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
7 S& z8 X1 c+ u: }0 l         Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
. P! d9 ]8 r) ]8 e         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled; s2 l1 d6 C! a; y% e9 u* L# i
      Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)( [: }$ Y5 c  I5 R+ [
      Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)2 I5 v  K# m; v) T- W! O4 v7 h

0 j  |6 r$ R. fAirbase hits 1$ O4 {9 f) [, y' n) O8 G3 t& A* }
Runway hits 16
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: J+ Y, U9 ~6 j& h1 k9 ^/ BNight Naval bombardment of Ponape at 119,113
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( B; d" b; \( {  e7 d      BB Alabama
$ [7 g# }4 b; t1 S; S      BB Massachusetts+ e/ [1 F+ [3 T6 y' V
      BB Indiana# p' c2 |$ o, t0 {/ l3 f
      BB South Dakota" S2 X" e) {& X- p
      BB Washington& `, f% Z; P# T& V( z5 t- ]
      BB North Carolina
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7 r( w  B5 j% t0 ^$ ^0 y8 nJapanese ground losses:  I9 z3 [3 Y% r9 ]% Y* Z4 Y
      570 casualties reported) \1 u9 B& r# D) H5 N
         Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
; s0 X9 ?8 L, w2 C         Non Combat: 52 destroyed, 25 disabled2 s  F0 n" D+ s$ w- s. y6 K% ^
         Engineers: 5 destroyed, 2 disabled- i+ Z; P. f, y, z
      Guns lost 27 (11 destroyed, 16 disabled)& I) Y) l! n+ h1 F( X7 I
      Vehicles lost 13 (10 destroyed, 3 disabled)( F  k; {% Q! f, q* Y) i

: n. Q' l3 \. S; X9 }' @Airbase hits 7
8 j6 p1 c( G# ^* k+ M! ]2 JAirbase supply hits 1
8 @  {1 }. q! {0 cRunway hits 15" N  T& c. s1 s9 g" s; K
Port hits 3- V0 a! x4 v( j
Port supply hits 2, B/ K: K5 x- l* U& ~3 e" ?
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% w( `- c0 {% ~# D+ @9 @. hNight Naval bombardment of Ponape at 119,113; p0 m9 M" }2 i, \; b4 m; C

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      BB Queen Elizabeth
- ?2 i- Z& q& _9 z, ~7 A# ~      BB Valiant8 C, Q# w- H  K+ ~) e
      BB Mississippi
: J* ]% X$ c& E! }      BB New Mexico+ P2 y2 X! k: K$ n+ m
      BB Idaho
, x7 m2 Y6 v, J) C( l6 L9 L$ w: o      BB West Virginia
' Q& }; w5 p4 Z3 s. N      BB Colorado. _5 |$ r7 P9 Z4 L& E

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      603 casualties reported
( T- Q8 L& @! \9 H; U         Squads: 1 destroyed, 31 disabled% h0 P5 g& W0 `  }2 _# s
         Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 40 disabled( b" D* ?  h5 J
         Engineers: 3 destroyed, 7 disabled
9 i3 t" w# \5 d9 Q  V4 i      Guns lost 24 (8 destroyed, 16 disabled)# o* q: C$ z/ G5 y9 I9 T5 b
      Vehicles lost 7 (5 destroyed, 2 disabled)
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- {. e' n! A3 q' H% f: j# xAirbase hits 59 t- r' _& j5 r1 p& |
Airbase supply hits 2& M) O. l$ i  J+ Q+ V4 H
Runway hits 7
7 s% j9 _1 }% l. i& c4 [/ hPort hits 1
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; f7 w9 t. z. K, u' i1 UBB Queen Elizabeth firing at Ponape + _! |# J0 I9 \; J
Walrus II acting as spotter for BB Valiant
) s& |  ]' H8 Y$ _( [BB Valiant firing at 33rd/A Division4 l% |6 d- [0 O; Y5 i, E
BB Mississippi firing at 33rd/C Division" m! ?! L$ x: c5 t0 `( y
BB New Mexico firing at Ponape ' I, ?) U9 z5 `0 L- D7 H
BB Idaho firing at Ponape
' [4 l+ b; k. m  H; F" d* XOS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB West Virginia  M8 A, c) Y4 F  }+ Y
BB West Virginia firing at 81st/C Division
% X' d, L& N! J. [% _; RBB Colorado firing at Ponape 5 C! u3 ~4 i4 D7 D* M

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Afternoon Air attack on Kure 7th SNLF, at 119,113 (Ponape)( {( e/ ^* o2 O1 [

; @' {6 Y9 }$ U3 m2 ^Weather in hex: Light rain- H3 N: m! J. ?2 ~3 Z8 t
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Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
, Q2 m1 `  k# d$ \% U; IEstimated time to target is 34 minutes
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Allied aircraft
; z) o5 s% d, o      F6F-5 Hellcat x 462: H" q+ o0 ?: K7 ]! n% l4 W% O
      SB2C-3 Helldiver x 314
5 D) h, N2 x  m1 [3 w      TBM-1C Avenger x 274
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: J4 T6 ^% G# e. W" ^# s9 s6 gAllied aircraft losses0 y: j  y! J1 V
      SB2C-3 Helldiver: 52 damaged$ W: A7 h5 V8 S  _6 y7 X# h6 t
      TBM-1C Avenger: 32 damaged
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Japanese ground losses:6 I$ p9 T2 D. s
      529 casualties reported# S9 O: S& U! t3 F9 j; m6 a  z$ [
         Squads: 2 destroyed, 28 disabled# ?3 U  a; c4 q
         Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 67 disabled
$ X* x! p  h" E0 c         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled% l! P2 R* \/ T0 W3 X: q
      Guns lost 7 (4 destroyed, 3 disabled)
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- ^" a9 |* Q# pGround combat at Ponape (119,113)
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Allied Deliberate attack, X; @/ p: Q  U3 M7 a! y2 ~
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Attacking force 71421 troops, 1323 guns, 2290 vehicles, Assault Value = 2496# K0 ]' d& m5 f' t

  X9 M# L8 B% sDefending force 43288 troops, 578 guns, 265 vehicles, Assault Value = 938
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Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5
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Allied adjusted assault: 3029
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Japanese adjusted defense: 3835 9 ~/ a7 |/ g, A& h* g. [/ N1 t

4 B( F8 D+ i8 M5 p0 hAllied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 5) , _3 b4 d$ F6 G- T/ |! S

  w' V7 Q0 _% V3 @$ SCombat modifiers9 o0 y) G/ L& D& X  X3 Y
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-)- B2 H( [/ M2 Y
Attacker: 5 Q+ T$ c0 h, F& y

% L% Z. B4 G9 s7 [- n* [2 E2 nJapanese ground losses:
+ x& t1 C) L$ a      5869 casualties reported
3 B& {& B4 p, g9 _         Squads: 179 destroyed, 64 disabled' R7 F3 W. J* o) L& y6 n% g- @
         Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 116 disabled
- j* i& l; U% U& I0 N  I* z         Engineers: 15 destroyed, 29 disabled
5 f# ]& u0 U0 ?      Guns lost 79 (38 destroyed, 41 disabled)  ?' g1 L9 d& K
      Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
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) q! q! {" h; O. a; S5 c% j$ iAllied ground losses:3 f: r* M3 {1 h8 \  {5 |
      1488 casualties reported
6 ^" K% L) n, N! T+ m         Squads: 6 destroyed, 203 disabled
6 ]/ X' m0 @  S! |2 M- M/ X         Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 43 disabled. G; y8 t5 t, ^& x+ |- W) r6 z1 y
         Engineers: 1 destroyed, 60 disabled+ S% _/ V1 C/ I" N0 V: x3 p! {
      Guns lost 57 (4 destroyed, 53 disabled)
1 t- z. l4 l' y7 t% `% V; K      Vehicles lost 67 (9 destroyed, 58 disabled)
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1 K0 m) U3 V5 {+ _Assaulting units:" \( C) l& j: M0 y
    762nd Tank Battalion6 I$ k/ E/ a- j& P- q
    710th Tank Battalion
( U2 ]. ^$ S4 Z# [( l" x    767th Tank Battalion
( {  \+ N+ ~2 x    44th Tank Battalion
$ k+ D, {) U; l* M/ Z' k( H2 \6 q- `0 {    96th Infantry Division& o% J% {+ G8 h/ P5 T) ]
    706th Tank Battalion
1 [: A* z' Q* h& j; i; g    81st Infantry Division1 `6 P' c+ k* ]+ L5 F0 h3 ~  ~
    364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment, i% F5 N4 \$ j" g
    5th Marine Division
2 O. P% B* \* G9 J7 Y( c    I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment5 @! h) F4 L  t( h& ^1 @( D2 Q3 v: m
    XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
' r+ C/ n  b% y' W    711th Tank Battalion
7 {4 x% r  b) T: X9 W    716th Tank Battalion% G4 J% ^+ m; \- j8 Z! n3 a9 D
    1st Filipino Inf Regiment
$ S# @0 A" i" N" D5 a; h    6th Infantry Division
2 H- m8 X8 z: I% B% B" J5 b    31st Infantry Regiment
& ]  m6 A: F- s: p; k    8th Marine Defense Battalion2 Z1 A" z/ f& c) R- k, v& \# ?
    4th USA Defense Battalion) u) @& O) i: Y$ t3 a' T- V% h, V
    X Corps Artillery 9 {" a" x8 `9 c
    14th Marine Defense Battalion* N' U7 N( I# R- ?
    3rd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3 o7 |% y& r1 V- v( d) F    I Corps Artillery ) a% f* ]  r) w1 M
    XIV US Corps
5 B. ?6 v9 T1 `* j1 J  [3 e    4th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
6 K' F& c6 K0 t8 k    96th Coast AA Regiment2 N& X: C0 G3 ^
    57th Coastal Artillery Regiment
, G& _7 z" \' Q; O9 @; P1 n    265th Coastal Artillery Regiment$ S" \) k$ V4 `4 d" T. l. r: V4 Q
    12th Marine Defense Battalion4 r1 V8 g- ~1 Z8 [+ v# y$ j
    738th Coast AA Regiment& o& {" w* C% N9 n  W
    1st USMC AA Battalion: K# N+ G2 `( _- K& l9 n! V2 q6 C
    5th USA Defense Battalion
9 W$ t3 f0 F1 \& D" p. L4 h! G    28th USN Naval Construction Regiment, x* k- {6 L2 j7 H4 k

7 H/ G+ F* y5 k9 W- N1 y$ ~, oDefending units:
1 _) ], e* J; l+ I! G    144th Infantry Regiment, I$ _* Y; N1 w7 P
    81st/C Division* {/ h  x  {$ E7 [
    Kure 3rd SNLF6 m+ J& ^( [- C( j
    Sasebo 7th SNLF( Q: p2 c- i) S' a# i8 B: i
    81st/A Division, ~0 ?2 ^9 c  Y7 y" \. \
    6th Guards Inf. Regiment
9 h( z- n. r$ E    33rd/B Division. v: y9 f" ~! M, O
    52nd Naval Guard Unit
8 _. q6 y2 {/ p4 E# ~& U    33rd/A Division" o7 j$ \; F: _# }9 D# Y
    81st/B Division4 J& ^9 ~* ]+ k, C$ q( n. V
    138th Infantry Regiment
! Q% {1 T/ h/ p9 m* s) O! P2 @    33rd/C Division
7 H. X" T& H& I3 o    14th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion0 B; a1 T- ]4 M. }! v
    60th Field AA Battalion# k" D4 T% H2 x, O: H
    53rd Construction Battalion4 |8 F  z9 ?: r9 f
    1st Guards Field Artillery Regiment9 _( `; o& F: G* W' L
    14th Area Army /1
. W' y2 k" S9 Y3 n" V9 U    61st Field AA Battalion
$ K% ^) N7 Y& L5 o6 A# H7 O    18th Army
! K  [# C& F$ ]; d    38th Ind. Engineer Regiment
  y1 C1 c% M  B% f# ]1 }3 B    18th Field AF Construction Battalion% ^" X6 y/ m& m
    63rd Field AA Battalion; E, s( O$ {+ T- ]; S
    18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
' R7 a# M4 p3 e7 ^    12th Air Fleet; r8 n: S* w, F
    Kure 7th SNLF
7 |  w( T9 p- W. V$ V! A1 u    Wake Cst Gun Bn /11 s1 `( f& ~$ ~+ I. ]
    20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion1 f! a, Z3 [& X1 x
    23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
, c) ]; D5 |+ L7 {$ P' Y: |: N    19th JAAF Base Force
, u- u# `6 p' x/ Z9 t    3rd Base Force) Y6 P' w7 ~, ^: G$ K
    Ponape Naval Fortress
* @* O7 l- ~+ e# m4 d    3rd IJN Special Cst Gun Bn /3
"I have nothing to offer but supplies, fuel and women."
12月11日
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趁着盟军舰队主力离开的间隙,联合舰队顽强的组织了新一波增援舰队,在击破了驻守的盟军4艘驱潜舰之后,成功将少量补给送上波纳佩,波纳佩守军眼含热泪,目送同袍远去。1 ~# S+ I" q! }# \) w. s- Y
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 11, 44
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ponape at 119,113, Range 8,000 Yards
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      DD Hikokaze, Shell hits 1
! W! a4 r! {8 N4 d      DD Ishikaze# g: ~3 c7 y8 `
      DD Tagokaze6 ^" q; _* L" d7 Q3 a) Y; Q6 K, G
      DD Takatakaze, Shell hits 1
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2 N7 j7 n# o. Z4 bAllied Ships
  a1 o3 A! V2 X$ X4 _      DE J. Douglas Blackwood, Shell hits 19, and is sunk5 }0 t* ?1 x3 O: N  t: s) A  P
      DE William C. Cole, Shell hits 23,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
# W% x+ F7 H$ b; z; w2 ^8 {      DE Coolbaugh, Shell hits 23, and is sunk
7 {" U) F1 W- t      DE James E. Craig, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk0 c; {3 o# O5 ^8 \& g2 }9 `4 m

/ d$ P8 _9 d2 `. t+ g" G考虑到盟军越来越强大的海空优势,这很可能是本次战役日军取得的最后一点战术胜利了
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当天发现盟军从库塞伊出发的运输船队正在向波纳佩航渡中,可能是盟军新一轮增援正在路上,对于已经顽强抵抗死守波纳佩超过两个星期的日本陆军第18军来说,最后的时刻已经逼近了。
使用大规模杀伤性武器是完全没有人道的
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